Do i flush before i switch to flower and bloom nutes? When should I switch to 12/12??
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TheyCallMe2K
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Cool thats some really good info man. Rep+. Unfortuneetly i already went out and bought the bud candy lol.I guess ill save it for a different grow. im thinking about switching to advanced nutrients full line next grow.. we will see. Is there anything i could give them as a foliar spray?
AimAim
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Unfortunately that is not a fact. My last and current grow did not even double. It depends on the strain, and how they are trained.
Be careful what you go slingin', Gunslinger
smokegreenshlt
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Lol that's funny cuz I think veg nutes are a crock lol...but Imma maxibloom kinda guy...and for additives I found silica to be the only thing I could visually see bettering my plants
Dr. Who
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*sigh* Adv. Nut. work,,,,but "I" don't like how hard they tend to PUSH my plants.....they also have you add a supplement at crossover that cause's the yellow out P&K toxic condition, and they bring that on WAY to early......for me and many others here too....some swear by this stuff,,,but I do not and never will....
Read around the site. See what others do/use. Then chose.....Keep in mind that AN is selling you things you really don't need.....They tend to cater to the "newbie" market and promise the world....at a huge cost that simply doesn't need to be spent to get the best results!
Look at Dyna-Gro
Hesi
Cana
and others before you jump into the AN drowning pool...
The next step you might take is maybe the addition of an amino and/or a fulvic supplement to your formula.....At any rate, keep notes in detail and experiment a bit. I take several runs to "set" my formula's for every new strain I run......Keep in mind that what and how I run will act different in Colorado and different again in California. Altitude,heat and humidity change how plants react! Finding what works the "best for you" takes TIME.
Keep the faith, time is on your side.
good luck
Read around the site. See what others do/use. Then chose.....Keep in mind that AN is selling you things you really don't need.....They tend to cater to the "newbie" market and promise the world....at a huge cost that simply doesn't need to be spent to get the best results!
Look at Dyna-Gro
Hesi
Cana
and others before you jump into the AN drowning pool...
The next step you might take is maybe the addition of an amino and/or a fulvic supplement to your formula.....At any rate, keep notes in detail and experiment a bit. I take several runs to "set" my formula's for every new strain I run......Keep in mind that what and how I run will act different in Colorado and different again in California. Altitude,heat and humidity change how plants react! Finding what works the "best for you" takes TIME.
Keep the faith, time is on your side.
good luck
unkle mouse
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from the organic side of things,, Aloe Vera cactus,, take a 1/2 inch by 4 inch piece with 6 cups of (I use ph7 water ), run it threw a blender,, strain or not,, drizzle, or spray, foliar ,, works like a champ,, look up ROLS.( REAL ORGANIC LIVNG SOIL) on this site for more info
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ProfessorChaos420
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Myself, I don't flush my plants when I flip em'. Nothing wrong with cutting back on your veg nutes before switching to flowering nutes tho.
As far as when to flip them... Flip em' whenever you want. If a few of them start to get too tall, crop the tops, or tie em' over.
Don't overthink it, homie. It's just a weed.
Good luck.
As far as when to flip them... Flip em' whenever you want. If a few of them start to get too tall, crop the tops, or tie em' over.
Don't overthink it, homie. It's just a weed.
Good luck.
tip top toker
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Why did you go to the trouble of making your text bold?Myself, I don't flush my plants when I flip em'. Nothing wrong with cutting back on your veg nutes before switching to flowering nutes tho.
As far as when to flip them... Flip em' whenever you want. If a few of them start to get too tall, crop the tops, or tie em' over.
Don't overthink it, homie. It's just a weed.
Good luck.
ProfessorChaos420
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Umm... Cause I can.
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
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Because he's from the class of 2014
Dr. Jekyll
Good answer, I like your style, you got balls
Mr. Hyde
ProfessorChaos420
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Hey, bro... i got somethin' than can help ease that whole split personality thing.
Ever burnt' Pineapple kush? Whoa. 
What AN base did you use and what additives?
Dr. Who
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Ah, yes,,,here it go's, The great defenders of AN......OK, so ignore the last statement.
As I said AN works,,,,with that said, I also stand by my assertions that a "recommended" AN supplement, used as directed WILL cause a P&K toxic, overuse or what ever term you care to use, condition. That will cause a "yellow out" from the bottom stem leaves starting at the base and continuing up the plant and spreading out to the other leaves everywhere on the plant. This comes on due to a WAY to high infusion of P&K at to early a time.
That supplement is "BUD BLOOD". The NPK is 0-39-25....and the claims made by AN on the performance of this product are over blown!
This is what they say.
"Yes. The team at Advanced Nutrients has put 100's of research and development hours into formulating not just a simple bloom booster, but a revolutionary new formula that allows you to greatly shorten your crop cycles called BUD BLOOD BLOOM STIMULATOR."
Some claims.
" it literally forces your crops into their flowering phase sooner and gets you to a valuable harvest as quickly as possible."
"strengthen plant roots and increase their performance and efficiency."
" you'll see less crop losses and stronger, happier plants"
" promote the production of floral substances that give your harvests enhanced aroma and taste"
"Using BUD BLOOD BLOOM STIMULATOR is incredibly simple and easy. You only use it during the initial transition when you switch your plants from early growth to bloom phase."
I can do all these things and all the while I won't get a yellow out!
Come on, a P&K of 39-25 is way to much to soon!!!! Even if you use it once....
On the marketing side..why do they have 4 different levels of products and why are they so costly, rising in price at every level!
Why are their claims written so it would seem like their products can do what nobody else can!
BECAUSE they want the dollars of the "Newbie and Novice" level growers that don't know better.....In my book that's a RIP OFF!
AGAIN,,AN works......But not for ME! The government steals enough, so I don't need to be cheated by anyone else......
If AN works for you,, good deal.
But I still say I can do better for less!
Sorry if I offend.
As I said AN works,,,,with that said, I also stand by my assertions that a "recommended" AN supplement, used as directed WILL cause a P&K toxic, overuse or what ever term you care to use, condition. That will cause a "yellow out" from the bottom stem leaves starting at the base and continuing up the plant and spreading out to the other leaves everywhere on the plant. This comes on due to a WAY to high infusion of P&K at to early a time.
That supplement is "BUD BLOOD". The NPK is 0-39-25....and the claims made by AN on the performance of this product are over blown!
This is what they say.
"Yes. The team at Advanced Nutrients has put 100's of research and development hours into formulating not just a simple bloom booster, but a revolutionary new formula that allows you to greatly shorten your crop cycles called BUD BLOOD BLOOM STIMULATOR."
Some claims.
" it literally forces your crops into their flowering phase sooner and gets you to a valuable harvest as quickly as possible."
"strengthen plant roots and increase their performance and efficiency."
" you'll see less crop losses and stronger, happier plants"
" promote the production of floral substances that give your harvests enhanced aroma and taste"
"Using BUD BLOOD BLOOM STIMULATOR is incredibly simple and easy. You only use it during the initial transition when you switch your plants from early growth to bloom phase."
I can do all these things and all the while I won't get a yellow out!
Come on, a P&K of 39-25 is way to much to soon!!!! Even if you use it once....
On the marketing side..why do they have 4 different levels of products and why are they so costly, rising in price at every level!
Why are their claims written so it would seem like their products can do what nobody else can!
BECAUSE they want the dollars of the "Newbie and Novice" level growers that don't know better.....In my book that's a RIP OFF!
AGAIN,,AN works......But not for ME! The government steals enough, so I don't need to be cheated by anyone else......
If AN works for you,, good deal.
But I still say I can do better for less!
Sorry if I offend.
Dr. Who
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Personally I don't care for foliar in flower. I have just never had the need....
Whos defending AN? I was just curious what base you had a problem with, but since you apparently havent used AN and since you wanna get shitty I guess il respond the same, I think anyone who uses any synthetic liquid nutes in soil is an idiot, AN,GH,Dynagro, whoever. I think anyone who bashes AN over price and additives and then endorses Canna is an idiot. I think anyone who buys an entire nute line is an idiot. I think anyone who says a nute line "pushes my plants too hard" is an idiot, ever heard of dropping your ppm? I think anyone who says a nute line " pushes my plants too hard" & talks about premature yellowing yet hasnt used the line is an idiot, how did it push your plants too hard if you havent used it? lastly I think anyone who bashes AN for "recommended doses" yet endorses companies that will kill your plants just as quickly at "recommended doses" is an idiot. I dont know if you know it or not but AN fucks its customers, GH fucks its customers, Dynagro fucks its customers, Canna fucks its customers, and any other synthetic nute manufacturer you wanna throw out their also fucks its customers. Good luck parroting the thoughts of others, you will have much better luck once you have original thoughts and ideas.
TheyCallMe2K
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Happy New Year!
If any of you were wondering, id say my girls are digging their last feeding yesterday! My only concern is that it seems that some of the tops of the plants are slightly yellower green than the rest of the plant.. Is this the beginning stages of flowering? Nitrogen defic.? Heat burn? I moved the light up like 6 inches because they have already stretched quite a bit. I gave them 1/4 strength nutes with 5 gallons of water for all 9 (no AN products) just my recipe for success nutrients kit which i am actually really starting to love. Here is some pics i took today. Anybody know how to get around the bars in the photo with the hps? Im using iphone5
Strains -
Top row:sour diesel, Deep purple(Purple urkle x purple kush), deep purple
middle row:GDP, Platinum Girl scout cookie, PGSC
bottom row:Raspberry kush, Lavender, Plushberry
HPS
Lights off with flash
Lavender
Plushberry
If any of you were wondering, id say my girls are digging their last feeding yesterday! My only concern is that it seems that some of the tops of the plants are slightly yellower green than the rest of the plant.. Is this the beginning stages of flowering? Nitrogen defic.? Heat burn? I moved the light up like 6 inches because they have already stretched quite a bit. I gave them 1/4 strength nutes with 5 gallons of water for all 9 (no AN products) just my recipe for success nutrients kit which i am actually really starting to love. Here is some pics i took today. Anybody know how to get around the bars in the photo with the hps? Im using iphone5
Strains -
Top row:sour diesel, Deep purple(Purple urkle x purple kush), deep purple
middle row:GDP, Platinum Girl scout cookie, PGSC
bottom row:Raspberry kush, Lavender, Plushberry
HPS
Lights off with flash
Lavender
Plushberry
Nizza
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dr.who i'm pretty sure uncle ben recommends a 3-1-2 ratio for veg+flower
he doesn't reccommend the bloom part of dyna gro for that reason, actually the foliage pro 9-3-6 works great throughout veg and flower, i use with protekt(silica) , cal-mag (because i use coco), and humboldt honey carbos
the light tops may mean a little bleaching from your light being too close (hps) because you just switched into flower, to prevent this next time bring in the light more gradually , 4 feet, next day 3 feet, and so on
also take pictures with the HPS off or just when it first turns on to get a clear pic
he doesn't reccommend the bloom part of dyna gro for that reason, actually the foliage pro 9-3-6 works great throughout veg and flower, i use with protekt(silica) , cal-mag (because i use coco), and humboldt honey carbos
the light tops may mean a little bleaching from your light being too close (hps) because you just switched into flower, to prevent this next time bring in the light more gradually , 4 feet, next day 3 feet, and so on
also take pictures with the HPS off or just when it first turns on to get a clear pic
AimAim
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They are always that way. The new leaves unfolding take a day or two to photosynthesize and build up chlorophyll, which is the green pigment.