Clues you are debating well on RIU.

[burgertime2010]

he means, if one is accused of being a racist, and it is true (to any degree, or from any perspective) then every position you hold on any subject is morally and ethically suspect.

this is the basis for Ad Hominem attacks, discrediting the opponent, rather than his argument.

Exactly right.....that is the idea, a lot of people use it because it works.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Exactly right.....that is the idea, a lot of people use it because it works.

no it does not.

it may sway the foolish, the stupid or the ignorant, but it does not win arguments, or debates.

it is a FALLACY.

you cannot "win" an argument through fallacies, any more than you can prove yourself to be honest by pathologically lying your ass off, nor prove your chastity by fucking random strangers in a truck stop men's room.

 

[burgertime2010]

The question was intentional and revealing. This is a thread about these types of issues, sorry.

 

[burgertime2010]

no it does not.

it may sway the foolish, the stupid or the ignorant, but it does not win arguments, or debates.

it is a FALLACY.

you cannot "win" an argument through fallacies, any more than you can prove yourself to be honest by pathologically lying your ass off, nor prove your chastity by fucking random strangers in a truck stop men's room.

Tell the best lawyers that. This is about persuasion not discussion, go back and read a bit.

 

[burgertime2010]

You use this method anytime you can so don't take the high road or accuse me of any bullshit.; Stick to the topic....what can you offer?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Tell the best lawyers that. This is about persuasion not discussion, go back and read a bit.

lawyers who prefer to sway the jury with sob stories, emotional appeals and bullshit shenanigans are helpless in the face of facts.

facts beat the living shit out of every half assed fallacious argument, and reveals the fallacy user as a fool.

 

[twostrokenut]

Is the racist allegation true? Are you this person or not?

No I am not that person.

 

[twostrokenut]

Exactly right.....that is the idea, a lot of people use it because it works.

Would this be true of formal debate? I must admit to contributing all elective courses and extracurricular to musical interests and not the debate team.

 

[burgertime2010]

No, it is actually relevant by default here. It is a sleazy desperate measure when it is out of nowhere and irrelevant. Character is important, Kynes has not read the persuasive elements I outlined earlier. He is just stirring an empty pot

 

[burgertime2010]

Do you remember the OJ Case at all?

 

[twostrokenut]

If you're talking to me I remember OJ had several cases, one murder maybe a wrongful death and some burglary. I don't recall any major details didn't watch much of any of it on television.

 

[burgertime2010]

If you're talking to me I remember OJ had several cases, one murder maybe a wrongful death and some burglary. I don't recall any major details didn't watch much of any of it on television.

Mark Furmahn was an officer and a witness for the prosecution. The defense used his racist past to discredit him and this was in the murder case too. So, that is a real life example.

 

[twostrokenut]

Mark Furmahn was an officer and a witness for the prosecution. The defense used his racist past to discredit him and this was in the murder case too. So, that is a real life example.

Oh, I have no idea....my gf tied the Kardashians to OJ trial somehow the other day when I asked what made them come to popularity.


In that example I would say the Furmahn fella should not have been in a place to give testimony as an officer if that truly was his past.....and that it should have been addressed there, in the past....in a perfect world.

 

[burgertime2010]

Oh, I have no idea....my gf tied the Kardashians to OJ trial somehow the other day when I asked what made them come to popularity.

roll on eighteenwheeler, roll on....honk honk.

Robert Kardashian was one of OJs attorneys

 

[twostrokenut]

*Edited.........

 

[twostrokenut]

Robert Kardashian was one of OJs attorneys

There it is, that's what she said lol

 

[burgertime2010]

Oh, I have no idea....my gf tied the Kardashians to OJ trial somehow the other day when I asked what made them come to popularity.


In that example I would say the Furmahn fella should not have been in a place to give testimony as an officer if that truly was his past.....and that it should have been addressed there, in the past....in a perfect world.

I forgot the details beyond that but the prosecution allowed race to enter the discourse and OJ hired the best sharks in town.....

 

[ElfoodStampo]

I don't understand how you guys keep getting pictures of my family. This is my little brother Luthor. Fun little chap.

 

[twostrokenut]

Idk I thought it was all about a glove that didn't fit or some shit. I tend to work a lot and miss these things, I remember working a lot of OT on my job when that was going on and I had quite a few motorcycle projects in those days.....I still would rather play drums with a headset on for a few hours a day rather than watch the news, mostly.

 

[cannabineer]

lawyers who prefer to sway the jury with sob stories, emotional appeals and bullshit shenanigans are helpless in the face of facts.

facts beat the living shit out of every half assed fallacious argument, and reveals the fallacy user as a fool.

Dissenting opinion. In the hands of even a moderately talented litigator, facts are the skeleton upon which the Plasticine of obfuscation is lovingly, elegantly and effectively sculpted.