thats good advice cocksucker, biobiz is real easy too but ur get better yeild from coco, im not on a comp at the mo wil answer more 2mora seeing as most these lazy bastards part from chedz evern helped.
The UK Growers Thread!
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indikat
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@ rambos cocksucker, I use soil and organic nutes for taste and flavour, get a good hybrid strain and do a coupla weeks veg and flip it, always watch the leaves cos they will tell you whats going on with the plant and try and keep them nice and green the plant does the rest.....imo soil quality is v.important to performance and yield all other things being rite.....coco is much easier but tastes a bit samey imo...are you growing for yourself or commercially....whats ur rig
exodus0408
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Been readin up on the plant magic oldtimers stuff and tbf it looks like its fool proof aslong as ya can read ya plants might give a few pots a run with it wen I get chance any1 ever used the stuff? Bout 4yr ago I had alot of there stuff gave to me from my hydro shop but gave it away as it was nt gettin used lol amazing wen u want somethin that you ve either gave it away or you ve misplaced it! Any1 used the oldtimers range? ment to be just as good as biobizz if not better!!
Don Gin and Ton
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is that oldtimers as in from underground originals oldtimers?
exodus0408
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Plant magic oldtimers don look like good stuff tbf the reveiws piss on bio bizz they do the soil like bio bizz but its buffered to keep ph in check so no fuckin about which is a bonus imo for soil!
W Dragon
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Morning lads,
@baz I'm the same mate not working and using the money from growing as a wage packet, deffo easier than my last job with better perks lol
@shawny you might want to go back and have another read of that review mate, on the last page their is a poster who records his ph drops with every ml added and it was miles away from what we want,they mention in the thread that the nutes are designed for regular potting compo, which many here do not use i.e bio-bizz light, all mix - plagron light, all mix, bat mix, and the canna range of soil probably wouldn't work to well with them.
I know things may have changed with the nutes but can't help but think I maybe wrong because that post is enough to put many off and is still there for all to see, surely it would have been deleted into oblivion by now if it wasn't true or the recipe had changed and the posted numbers had become irrelevant?
@robbie what soil are you running with ya nutes mate? seems alot over on uk4~0 are running j a bowers and john innes mixed.
@baz I'm the same mate not working and using the money from growing as a wage packet, deffo easier than my last job with better perks lol
@shawny you might want to go back and have another read of that review mate, on the last page their is a poster who records his ph drops with every ml added and it was miles away from what we want,they mention in the thread that the nutes are designed for regular potting compo, which many here do not use i.e bio-bizz light, all mix - plagron light, all mix, bat mix, and the canna range of soil probably wouldn't work to well with them.
I know things may have changed with the nutes but can't help but think I maybe wrong because that post is enough to put many off and is still there for all to see, surely it would have been deleted into oblivion by now if it wasn't true or the recipe had changed and the posted numbers had become irrelevant?
@robbie what soil are you running with ya nutes mate? seems alot over on uk4~0 are running j a bowers and john innes mixed.
W Dragon
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here's the post I'm referring to incase anyone never read the whole thread lads.
Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:46 PM
Have been using this for a few grows and i have to be honest i have struggled with serious pH issues and struggling plants.
It seems that i can produce very lush plants in veg but once they go into flower and i start using Old Timer they really do start to struggle. This is compared to a mate who uses almost the same set up except he is using Ionic Nutrients and monitoring the pH of his nute mix before adding to the plants and soil.
I know the world and his wife say you don't need to pH anything as the soil will do this itself but here are a few results i have just performed on oldtimer:
Tap water ph 7.2
Tap water + 1ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 6.28
Tap water + 2ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 5.38
Tap water + 3ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 4.61
Tap water + 4ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 4.30
Tap water + 5ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 4.08
As you can see the pH really does start to plummet and i am not sure if soil really can deal with these amounts of low pH hitting it all the time.
I know there are more experienced growers out there so i would like to hear what you guys have to say !
Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:46 PM
Have been using this for a few grows and i have to be honest i have struggled with serious pH issues and struggling plants.
It seems that i can produce very lush plants in veg but once they go into flower and i start using Old Timer they really do start to struggle. This is compared to a mate who uses almost the same set up except he is using Ionic Nutrients and monitoring the pH of his nute mix before adding to the plants and soil.
I know the world and his wife say you don't need to pH anything as the soil will do this itself but here are a few results i have just performed on oldtimer:
Tap water ph 7.2
Tap water + 1ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 6.28
Tap water + 2ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 5.38
Tap water + 3ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 4.61
Tap water + 4ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 4.30
Tap water + 5ml of Old Timer Bloom = pH 4.08
As you can see the pH really does start to plummet and i am not sure if soil really can deal with these amounts of low pH hitting it all the time.
I know there are more experienced growers out there so i would like to hear what you guys have to say !
shawnybizzle
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Chees for that WD hmmmm that is a bit off putting ain't it...so they love the grow but the bloom isn't such a big hitter all I've bought is the grow...I had myind set on using OT all the way thru and just that Lol..I'll use the grow and mist proberbly the bloom if its starts fucking withy pH too much might have to make a switch?.. or just buy some pH up I've never used that before either haha...Ahh we'll see if let's me down if it does I'll just fall back on to biobizz
W Dragon
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no worries mate, I don't know what to make of it and robbiep will probably be the man to put it into perspective for us, I've used pm soil once about a year or so back alongside bio-bizz all mix, only one bag as I was short on bio-bizz so had a couple of plants in it and did everything the same as the bio-bizz plants and didn't see or notice any difference but that was with bio-bizz nutes, wasn't too fond of the soil itself though I thought it could have done with some more perlite or just something added to it as it seemed more compact in the pot after a couple of waterings, side by side though there wasn't any noticeable difference.
shawnybizzle
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I'm gonna be in coco wanted to move on to soil next but seen as I'm gonna be growing at a mates I don't wanna be experimenting too much an fuck it all up Lol I will love on to soil when I've got my own grow and it all mine...Yeh Robbie clear this pH issue up haha...I've still got zedds soil recipie written down somewhere just havnt had the chance to make it yet...
Will.compost tea help coco much? Or is it purely for the micro life in soil?
Will.compost tea help coco much? Or is it purely for the micro life in soil?
zeddd
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the one above is much simpler, amazing the variety of green shades u get wen using guano correctly and shiny healthy leves
W Dragon
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@Zedd what guano are you using mate? I've used that guanokalong a few times now, never used as much as the bottle says just a small steady supply of a couple of ml per liter every watering for the last couple of weeks with a once a week feed from the 5th wk of flower.
W Dragon
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@shawny you can run bio-bizz nutes in coco no worries mate, you could even mix ya soil and coco half and half and have the option of both in case you changed ya mind and wanted to change nutes at any stage.
Just to clarify aswell mate I have run coco with bio-bizz and didn't have a single problem.
Just to clarify aswell mate I have run coco with bio-bizz and didn't have a single problem.
rollajoint
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Why are you going from coco to soil ? Just curious ?
ninja1
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I used plant magics soil and old timer nutes for my first grow. Didnt bother to ph as was told no need. Got 13.5oz and didnt have a clue what I was doing. Also maybe strain related but was some of the best weed I've smoked. Was Barneys farm liberty haze. That said I dought is grow Barneys ever again after the shitty blue cheese.
shawnybizzle
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Yeh WD I ran biobizz last round in coco worked a treat the only reason I'm going for OT is its cheap and u only need 2 bottles where as biobizz I know u only need 3 really grow bloom and topmax but there's a whole array Lol and I'm the kind of cunt to buy them ALL haha basically I'm going for as cheap as I can this first round....at Robbie I want to change for taste I'm not gonna do it for ages like..never grown in soil I suppose 50/50 mix soil coco sounds pretty good tho
Tbh ninja I just think Barney's blue cheese ain't all that and seen a few others say the same I've done their pineapple chunk and that was some serious fruity strong weed..but their BC is no good
Tbh ninja I just think Barney's blue cheese ain't all that and seen a few others say the same I've done their pineapple chunk and that was some serious fruity strong weed..but their BC is no good