Concentrates and toxins

Pangioti

Pangioti

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Hello all,
My father has ALS and I have been helping him out with mmj to treat his condition. I have made several tinctures, and oil and have produced capsules but have since switched him over to strictly vaping. I stopped producing concentrates because I understand that unless you know the product you getting is organic and has not been treated with pesticides – I would be concentrating the pesticides along with the essential oil.

I am in a state where MMJ is still illegal so I'm looking to set up grow room so I can control my own product, but until I am able to do that - does ice water extraction clean out the impurities or should I just wait to make concentrates until I'm able to produce my organic product.?

Thank you!

Pangioti
 
Twitch

Twitch

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just because it wasn't treated with pesticides doesn't make it organic....
all organic grows are a pain in the ass they take alot of effort if you want a true organic grow and in actuality the plants like synthetic nutes better...

What kind of impurities are you trying to weed out<-(pun not intended)? i consider any plant material or hair in my stuff an impurities.

the main thing that people spray on plants that fuck up bho is neem oil, out door and green house growers will use this as a preventative against bugs, but all of it will come off into your extract. I have had it happen on this Flo i was getting from cali and it was from Humboldt county where, to my knowledge, it is mostly out door and green house grows.

oh and neem oil is organic and alot of organic growers use it, i hate it
 
Pangioti

Pangioti

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Thanks for the reply and the organic education. I guess I really don't mean organic as much as I mean grown without pesticides or neem oil or anything else that I do not want to be ingested. I produced a tincture that had way too much plant matter and who knows what else in it and got a real bad headache and just an overall strange feeling and want no more of that.

So if I understand it right if there are impurities already in the plant they will be they will be transferred and concentrated no matter what type of method is used?
 
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endpro

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Twitch. said:
just because it wasn't treated with pesticides doesn't make it organic....
all organic grows are a pain in the ass they take alot of effort if you want a true organic grow and in actuality the plants like synthetic nutes better...

What kind of impurities are you trying to weed out<-(pun not intended)? i consider any plant material or hair in my stuff an impurities.

the main thing that people spray on plants that fuck up bho is neem oil, out door and green house growers will use this as a preventative against bugs, but all of it will come off into your extract. I have had it happen on this Flo i was getting from cali and it was from Humboldt county where, to my knowledge, it is mostly out door and green house grows.

oh and neem oil is organic and alot of organic growers use it, i hate it
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Actually, growing organically allows me to use just water plain water for my plants.

keep a clean environment and never have to use pestisides.

Easy peasy, nothing hard about organics.
 
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endpro

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Organics also allows more terpines and essential oils to develop because they get all the beneficials from the microbes.

Which means more potent medicines.
 
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endpro

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well if you search the internet for what kind of bud will smell louder and taste better(side effect of having more terpene build up), you will get a resounding organics leaning result. the smell and taste come from terpenes.

To give you an idea of what a terpene is, a quick look at Wikipedia reveals what follows:


The word terpenes defines a large and varied class of hydrocarbons, produced primarily by plants (conifers and cannabis) and more rarely by insects. Terpens are the major components of resin, and of oils and extracts produced from resin. The name "terpene" is derived from the word "turpentine". Terpenes function as smell and taste molecules, and also as biosynthetic building blocks for the organism of almost all creatures. Terpenes are one of the most important components of the resin and essential oils of many types of plants and flowers.


The list of 16 terpens is a selection of the most carachteristic and recognizable ones, the ones involved in the distinctive flavor of any strain of cannabis. A few example:


Alpha-Pinene is an organic compound, found in the oils of many species of many species of pine trees. It is also found in the essential oil of rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis). 2 types of Alpha-pinene exist in nature, one more common in European pines, the other more common in North America. A mix of the two is present in the oil extracted from the eucalyptus tree. So if you like pine-tree smelling and tasting weed, think of growing this strain, or use it for crossings.


Limonene is a hydrocarbon, classified as a cyclic terpene. It is a colourless liquid at room temperatures with an extremely strong smell of oranges. It takes its name from the lemon because lemon and other citrus fruits contain high quantities of this compound, which is responsible for much of their smell.


Sabinene is a natural monoterpene and it is isolated from the essential oils of a variety of plants, mostly oak trees. Sabinene is one of the chemical compounds that contributes to the spiciness of black pepper and is a major constituent of carrot seed oil. It also occurs in tea tree oil at a low concentration.


Myrcene, or &#946;-myrcene, is also an organic compound. It is classified as a hydrocarbon and a monoterpene. It is obtained from the essential oil from various plants: bay, verbena, myrcia (from which is gets its name) and others. Myrcene is one of the most important chemicals used in the perfumery industry. Because of its pleasant odor, it is occasionally used directly. But it is also highly valued as an intermediate for the preparation of flavor and fragrance chemicals such as menthol, citronella, and geraniol.
 
Twitch

Twitch

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yea we are relatively familiar terpenes here in the C&E section....

convert anyone to what? organics.... not a snow balls chance in hell my friend
you can keep your super soil
 
er0senin

er0senin

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SnapsProvolone said:
Ill put my hydro grown up against anyones organic for aroma and flavor. I know I can't loose and in fact will win more often than not.
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i have only tried growing in soil and i got better taste and smell using organic fert than syntetic. cant say for hydro.. never tried it.
Have you done both? if so then this is your experience? not saying its wrong just asking cause im curious :)

Best regards
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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er0senin said:
i have only tried growing in soil and i got better taste and smell using organic fert than syntetic. cant say for hydro.. never tried it.
Have you done both? if so then this is your experience? not saying its wrong just asking cause im curious :)

Best regards
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Over 20 years ago I started growing. I've done it just about every way possible. I have found that in soil it was easy to get awesome quality from using the correct amount of chemical nutrients at the proper time.

Biggest flavor downer is too much N during last half of flowering. Its hard to time N depletion in an organic only situation.

Flushing is a myth. If your late flower feed is properly balanced (high P and low N) you need not starve a plant when it's doing it's best work.

Bennies are only there to keep bad stuff at bay and breakdown organic nutrients into uptakeable forms. So if feeding nutrients that need not be broken down and running sterile reservoir you don't need bennies.

All that said, I get total control and maximum availablility of my nutrients by using gh three part, calmag and ro water.
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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Hey why you guys gotta dick bash organic if the guys not blowing the holy'er than thou talk. I run probably 90% organic because I guess that's just my lot in life. I also grow my own meat and food so It's a little more complex than method thumping. You can't just meet a certification criteria to make a superior product, you gotta live from a deep understanding born out of a true love for whatever it is your growing our rearing. Yeah if I know my biological micro organism's like you know your bud candy there's a strong likelyhood that the randomness born out of natural processes will produce a variant in taste or smoke lets say that would more likely win over seasoned smokers. I've gotten sick of everything tastings and looking like amsterdam sugar genetics, i got my hands on some early harvest organic mk and the shit threw me back to when my father use to import jamaican brick weed before chemical nute's really hit the country.

Yeah more times that not a lack of deep understanding is the cause of most human failure organic or inorganic, I can tell you Organic ppl have F'ddddddddd me over with the most amount of neem mishap waste my time, make me wanna kill myself Flowers than any inorganic grower has given me bad flush......

But when you start to flip the finger at nature your basically putting a chastity belt on unpredictive evolution, and that shit wreaks of the kind of man based arrogance that has got people dropping dead from a lifetime of science based chemical agriculture. Only to find it's the wheat grown on worm shit that will stop their child from getting diarrhea every time they eat bread.
When weed looses the respect food is finally starting to get, where just slipping into drugs and nowhere near discovering what truly makes this stuff medicine over mental massacre.
 
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MnH

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Flushing isn't just a 'myth'. Any type of nutrient solution will in fact contain salts, and other types of chemicals which can be left over if not taken up by the roots. When the medium dries out, or gets near dry, those also dry. You can have roots suck up these unused salts and other things and clog them.

Depending on the grower, the nutes, applications per day, etc.. you can readily see why flushing *can* help in some situations. I've fixed quite a few rooms with just this simple thing. Lots of people think 'more is better' in regards to nutrients.. and it's really not.
 
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