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vbsponger

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The dish on the 2nd pic is what i set the oil in inside the vac chamber. currently purging at 110 degrees hoping for some wax to form.. never have seen wax form.. i know i am looking for some fogginess.... just havent seen anything yet. Im purging 36 grams of oil currently.

Thank you so much...

some background:

blasted last night, stabilized at room temp achieving the muffin. melted muffin down using low heat <110 to shatter oil. Sat over night ~ 7-8 hrs at full vac (left vac on).
Checked it first thing in the morning and it was a very calm and stable puddle with no bubbles, at first glance thought it may have been goo but i believe it was what most people would call shatter. although it wasn't hard like a rock it also was not soft like taffy; it was breakable.
I put it back in the chamber and the picture posted above is where I am at. Any advice?
 

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vbsponger

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I will do it ever so slowly as my mentor has been very persistent about avoiding the goo :)

does it look on track to you though ? Just needs time and a little higher temp ? Just de vac to check temp and seems to be at 100 so i prob am def a little low...
 

vbsponger

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its at 125~130sh, still no sign of any fogginess or waxing.... maybe it waxed last night and temp got too high while i was sleeping, and although it was at 100~105ish this morning when i first checked it and a very stable puddle, it cannot achieve wax from this point.

any other factors anyone could think of that may lead to it not waxing?

maybe needed to be dehydrated longer? (let it dry on a tray in the kitchen for 3 or 4 days)

i dont think the quality of product was the issue, it was a very pungent and nicely cured XJ-13 strain, very citrusy

perhaps i never achieved the full muffin required to get wax...

i used little to no heat after blasting to evaporate the liquid tane..

also, i whipped really well before scraping ,( and this is the only time i whipped) should i have done that? when are the proper times to whip?? thanks guys
 

Sirdabsalot462

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Hey Bro!!

Ime the way it looks, is the best its going to be this round..

Save yourself some frustration and start again..
Use current batch for edibles...

Don't whip my friend, folding the oil over itself after the muffin, is plenty enough agitation to encourage nucleation (waxing).

Shit, I dunno know though... It may just be the strain doesn't wanna wax.
How well go you know the material?
Self grown?..friend? Black market?
 

vbsponger

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black market. i want to say it was light-dep. frustrating not ever really knowing the origins of my flower... so i just took it out and let it sit for 15 minutes. it weights 36.5g and is relatively hard. i can hold it on one end and it does bend (like taffy) but verrry slowly....

definitely wont whip next time.... just took a dab and it tastes exactly like the lemony citrus flower it came from... you can also smell the citrusy/lemony scent from the oil itself if you put it close to your nose... the strain is XJ-13 , cross of jack and g-13. Organically or hydroponically etc etc i have no clue though :D

Thank you so much for your replies, sucks sitting here just hoping to find the answer youre looking for. soooo much info here, literally have been reading the forums since 9am :)...gotta say i really love it...

im wondering how long should a 36g ..relatively thick oil purged patty should take to start showing signs of waxing ie foginess.... maybe i am jumping the gun and not being patient (im thinking within an hour or two at this point i should start to see some signs of waxing sOMEWherE...also, based on the above description, would it be worth my while to keep trying and just let it sit for like 12 hours?? Maybe at 128ish temp??? (i am extremely patient to get the product i want if it is possible, although i know it is hard to say if youre not here :P)

also wanted to know if you could describe what exactly perma goo is?? how sticky is it?? how viscous is it at room temp?
 

CalWax

Active Member
kill all perma-goo

honestly i'VE HAD batches where half of my slab will be perfect honey comb and then there will be "shatter patches"

i figured cause these "shatter patches" are slick to the touch maybe i just need a little more heat,

i raise the temp 5 Celsius and leave it 12 more hours and even parts of my honey comb go soft. =/

*shakes fist* permmmaaaaagoooooooooo!
 

BCOGYODA

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Hey VB sorry to leave you high and dry this morning bud but had to go tend to the gardens :)

Well here's the thing man..I have done so many dam experiments since I started making BHO it boggles my mind how much time I have spent comparing strain to strain and theory to theory etc. The main thing is that some strains WILL NOT WAX once you take the oil over a certain temperature. I have proved this running the same exact batch at different temperatures and only in as little as 5F degree variance. For example True OG Kush from the Cali Chem Dawg cut WILL NOT WAX over 115F period. The same goes for a recent Jack Herrer cross I ran and did multiple controlled experiments with to prove my theories.

Indicas (and the more pure they are) will very easily wax sometimes in only a few hours on a large thick run at as low a temp as 95F-100F. Hybrids are a whole different ball game with differences in waxing abilities big time.

Once your temp gets up in the 125 F and over (especially 130F and over) your chances of a strain NOT waxing increases dramatically. Yes you can be lucky and have a stain that will wax up there at those temps but trust me there are a lot (especially hybrids that are more sativa dominant) that are much more fragile and just won't wax at that warm of temps.

I have the benefit of having access to endless amounts of mj and tons and tons of strains to experiment with due to contacts I have with growers, compassionate clubs, dispensaries etc..

The thing is that if you went over that "magical" temp during those 8 hrs of night time un-attended purging then you may have cooked the oil too much for it to be able to wax any more.
There is chemistry involved there but that is the layman's terms to it.

And yes as the other guys said older material definetely increases your chance that the oil won't wax either.

I asked you several times in our pm's together if you have a laser temp gun but you didn't answer. I ask that question because it is very important. If you can not tell what the surface temperature of your oil is at all times during your purge then it isn't even worth running the oil because you need to be 100% certain what temp your oil is at every minute of your purge.

One thing to note though is that if you do not have any signs of a little fogginess or thickening of your wax then I think you may not even be at that stage yet. Cause usually if you will get some to form even if you go over temp. You have to be patient too and let it run at those lower temps for a good long while before attempting to increase the temp at all to make sure you don't over do things.
 

vbsponger

Member
i feel ya!! i really dont think this is old product, i have seen a lot of flowers and definitely have had some stuff that was old. :-\ who knows though, definitely not me!
 

BCOGYODA

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Whipping it has zero effect on whether it will wax or not. Zero. The only thing I have found is that a lot of whipping speeds up the rate of de muffling and purging. I'm no chemist so who know's why that is but just my own observation from testing a non whipped batch to a whipped batch of the exact same material done in the same chamber at the same time.

Yes CalWax you are seeing those results for the exact reasons I posted above.

And the other guys are very correct about the Neem oil. I don't even bother trying to make oil from any crop that has had Neem oil or any product that is Neem based sprayed on it. Neem doesn't wax!
 

vbsponger

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gosh i am sooo torn on what to do....

I feel like you are right-on thinking that i may have reached that temperature over night and not known it thus preventing the waxing im looking for now...

the other part of me wants to keep going because i have not seen any sign of any wax. i know temps havent gotten completely out of control as the oil at room temp right now is a relatively hard taffy.... perhaps i am just not being patient enough. it is out now that i have read all this... but right before it was removed from the chamber, there was some bubbling ...i wanna say these were co2 bubbles as they were mostly even in size and clear. i did note that the bubbling was really starting to calm down though (maybe about to wax?!).... but i read dabs post and took it out immediately :P

I have been pulling full vacuum for at least an hour and then i will degas it and check the temp....degas and check temp....degas and check temp....repeat etc etc over and over bc i dont want the oil to get too hot (rather be safe than sorry). is this too much? is the constant degas and opening the lid to get a temp reading making myself work backwards?

sorry about therm. question, riu seemed to have gone down when i was pm'n you. but to answer that, yes i do have an infrared to monitor the heat. i say monitor because i have a general idea of what it is while in chamber, but not exact. i can devac, open lid very quickly and get a reading ...from this i base my temperature readings which ive reported in these posts and pm's.. i took your advice and used something similar to a remekin, (posted pic of the iron bowl above i believe), and i have noticed it is a lot easier to avoid any temp spikes.


Again, extremely long-winded....thank you so much....thank you!!
 

lordorion420

Active Member
when i have stuff stay kind of shattercomb I just have to whip it on an electric mixer under a heated pyrex plate for couple hours and it will start to wax up , it will take a long long time but it will start to wax up


any good advice for working with older trim since last Nov?? whats the best way to keep bunch of trim over 100++ pounds for couple months safely??
 

lordorion420

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Any advice to run older material?? Im so sad my partner up north just let the trim just sit around in his garage in garbage bags and just trying to make the best of it and looking for any solid advice on running older material and making some proper stuff
 
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