Gun Ownership to prevent Tyrants ???

[NoDrama]

1776? that is the best you can come up with?

It worked since 2001 against the worlds preeminent superpower.

 

[jahbrudda]

I believe you are leaving a few arguments off the table.
The majority of guns owners I know are more concerned with protecting themselves and their family.
They also enjoy their right to use them recreationally.

Who says that all the military members will side with the government on this issue, I think it would be lopsided the other way.

So your entire argument is based upon the people you know and your personal projection that the military will ignore all of their training. I know I am convinced.

canndo, you have a habit of misreading peoples comments, then opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself.

 

[UncleBuck]

canndo, you have a habit of misreading peoples comments, then opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself.

you have a habit of posting multiple quotes without highlighting what you feel to be the contradiction, just like beenthere was known for doing.

 

[UncleBuck]

It worked since 2001 against the worlds preeminent superpower.

i wonder if the military being in their own country close to all their resources rather than having to beg pakistan for access to the only supply road would make any difference.

 

[kpmarine]

i wonder if the military being in their own country close to all their resources rather than having to beg pakistan for access to the only supply road would make any difference.

Makes them much easier to disrupt.

 

[canndo]

canndo, you have a habit of misreading peoples comments, then opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself.

"the majority of gun owners you know"

"I think it would be lopsided the other way"

Now, your comments were personal observations - who you know annd what you believe - now how have I misread your statement?

 

[desert dude]

i wonder if the military being in their own country close to all their resources rather than having to beg pakistan for access to the only supply road would make any difference.

It worked against the USSR as well. They didn't need anybody's permission to use a road.

 

[TWS]

The ignorance is astounding.

Not one factually correct statement.

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This is a totaly unexamined statement. Imagine a dark theater where there was one bad shooter and several hundred "good" guys with guns. I dare you.

Is that all you have ? A one off case ? Wouldn't take long to plow the MFer down now would it ? That's if he even tried it because he is to much of a coward If it was like that.

 

[canndo]

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Is that all you have ? A one off case ? Wouldn't take long to plow the MFer down now would it ? That's if he even tried it because he is to much of a coward If it was like that.

Short sighted yet again. "bad" shooter shoots, four others not really comprehending who the bad shooter is, shoot "back", now more shoot, unknowing who is the original shooter - recall it is dark. Some of the shooters miss and hit bystanders. Finally the shooting is ended, more dead than the original but explain to me how a jury handles each individual, now tell me who is liable for damages.

The shootout at the OK corral is just the sort of idiocy gun toters dream of, but modern litigeous america can't work with that sort of mentality. The safest environment is one with no guns, the next safest is one with one gun, that I happen to weild, the third safest is still a single weapon, each additional one makes the situation less safe, not more.

 

[TWS]

Try this if you have to be hypothetical . One good shooter right next to him blows his fucking brains out and everyone goes home. Your goal in life is to twist things that yet you only believe. Your belly scratcher in other words.

 

[canndo]

Try this if you have to be hypothetical . One good shooter right next to him blows his fucking brains out and everyone goes home. Your goal in life is to twist things that yet you only believe. Your belly scratcher in other words.

the general public doesn't even know how to negotiate a four way intersection but you ha e them all as quick witted and sure. either you have far more faith in people then you should or you Live on a different planet.

 

[kpmarine]

the general public doesn't even know how to negotiate a four way intersection but you ha e them all as quick witted and sure. either you have far more faith in people then you should or you Live on a different planet.

Most of my concern lies in this realm too. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry carrying in the general population is a recipe for disaster. Even if you ignore the fact that most folks aren't exactly exemplary marksmen on the best of days with no stress or adrenaline shakes. What happens when 4 people draw down in an actual firefight? Each guy only knows that they aren't a threat; the other three just became shooters in his mind too. Aside from the dashing style and camouflage, we wear uniforms in the military for a very important reason: It lets you know who is friendly. Even then, there's the occasional blue-on-blue fire.

People need more than a few hundred rounds downrange in a stress-free environment before they should be carrying in a populated area. My stepfather has worked in a gun store and as a gunsmith for a couple decades now, and I've heard every horror story there is; my personal favorite was the owner of one shop he worked in who shot himself in the hand with a derringer while trying to unload it. There's a terrifying number of people who can't even be assed to fire the correct rounds in their gun or clean it properly. Then there's the asses with zero muzzle awareness who flag the entire damn firing line with a loaded weapon and their finger on the trigger. If you can't be bothered to even know your weapon, you should not be carrying.

 

[Rob Roy]

the general public doesn't even know how to negotiate a four way intersection but you ha e them all as quick witted and sure. either you have far more faith in people then you should or you Live on a different planet.

The Prussian school system has worked its intended purpose in the USA.

If the general public is so stupid and that's where the "leaders" that get elected come from and are elected by, why would you want to empower a system comprised of and picked by these same people?

 

[TWS]

Does this type of stuff happen in Texas ?

 

[Doer]

I read this reason quite often.
Americans own guns as a way of ensuring that no undemocratic or tyrannical government can take power by force.....

So, a regime that has the brute force to take power from the government and armed forces of the USA (the worlds only superpower)
will be stopped by motley crews of citizens and their collections of firearms???

SUCH A STUPID ARGUMENT!!!
This argument was relevant during the Revolutionary Period and the War of 1812 era. But, already by the Spanish-American War, technological advances had rendered the self-armed, community group militia's obsolete.

WHY SHOULD THE PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE GUNS HAVE TO SHARE COMMUNITIES WTH PEOPLE WHO ARE IRRESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO OWN THEM?

I do not expect anyone to have to breath my smoke.
If they don't smoke it is unfair for my cigarette to pollute the air they breath - so I smoke where it will not affect them.
Likewise, people with a more balanced and mature attitude towards the rights and responsibilities of citizenship,
the people who understand that, for every criminal act that is prevented by a citizen with a private weapon,
there are dozens of accidents and 'rage' crimes caused by psychological effects of gun ownership on otherwise law abiding people.
WHY SHOULD THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES WITH THE CONSTANT FEAR THAT SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBOURS OWN POTENTIALLY LETHAL TOYS???
A STREET WITH TEN HOUSES. IN ONE OF THE HOUSES THE OWNER KEEPS A TIGER.
IF ANYTHING WENT WRONG THIS CREATURE COULD HURT OR KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE MATURE AND CONSIDERATE ENOUGH
TO NEVER BRING SUCH AN ANIMAL INTO A COMMUN ITY WITH CHILDREN.
Many of the neighbours would like the Tiger to be removed....
but if an undemocratic and tyrannical government took power, against the wishes of the people,
this Tiger could serve as a valuable weapon in the defence of the nation.
"It is the right of every citizen to own a tiger....
"Riots broke out in Mississippi after the State Senate attempted to limit Tiger ownership to one per month....
"Georgia fails in attempt to ban PCP/Steroid Tiger food.....

THERE IS NOT A GROUP OF GOOD PEOPLE and A GROUP OF BAD PEOPLE (like the 'goodies and baddies' in old movies.
Sometimes law abiding people have break downs and act out of character.

The NRA likes to put people in one of these two distinct categories.
"Let's arm school teachers".
What happens if one of these teachers loses control....?

People are too complicated, too unpredictable
to think that gun ownership can exist
without gun crime.
For a person who has lost everything and is bitter at the world
leaving this life in a bullet fuelled blaze of glory is a powerful incentive.

Not true, so the rest is invalid.

The 2nd A is to prevent a tyrant from entering my home in suprise, of which they have tried three times already.

 

[Doer]

The majority of the gun deaths in those statistics are from suicide and gang related murders.

And there around a million saves a year. But, saves are not reported by the rabid anti-nuts.

So, it is 16K year gun deaths if we take out suicide. Not all those are murders. Some are accidents, but most are the Live by the gun and die by the gun in gangland, as you say.

 

[canndo]

The Prussian school system has worked its intended purpose in the USA.

If the general public is so stupid and that's where the "leaders" that get elected come from and are elected by, why would you want to empower a system comprised of and picked by these same people?

We agree, but we have to work with what we have. Read idiocracy - the movie doesn't send the message of the short story.

 

[canndo]

Not true, so the rest is invalid.

The 2nd A is to prevent a tyrant from entering my home in suprise, of which they have tried three times already.

This is true. We are presumed, under the law to have all been created equal. But only a firearm can have that happen in the day to day, firearms make us more "equal" than othewise. It does not, however, even in mass, make us equal TO the government.

 

[canndo]

Does this type of stuff happen in Texas ?

I don;t know, where was the obnoxious texter in the movie theater shot?

 

[Harrekin]

pussies like you can't end the misery any other way than a bullet, no balls.

Cos your 20lbs Asgardian Battle Axe is clearly the better option?