chuck estevez
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Yeah, I'll go with that, because I keep lmfao at everything he/she posts.And we call you Funny
Anyone a fan of defoliation to increase yeild?
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chuck estevez
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somehow, i believe you.Hmmmm doesn't sound very efficient to me??
Don't tell anyone but I don't turn my lights off during 12/12, I just cover them up!! Cost's me twice as much in electricity but I don't care!!
stickybuds*
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If you plants only has a few fan leaves on and its sativa dom, you can stunt a plant growth and reduce the final yield a lot
so to get good results you need someone to help or it could take a few crop before you work it out
don't want to give any advice that results in a low yield so I want to be up front and honest as I can be
CaretakerDad
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http://library.ndsu.edu/tools/dspac...ream/handle/10365/3141/26alr96.pdf?sequence=1
You can read right? Google plant defoliation academic study you'll be surprised at what you may find.
stickybuds*
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Growan
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Er, guys, I just defoliated my balls, and now my dick is at least a kilo heavier than before defoliation, but how am I gonna explain this to the missus? She was pissed when I poured bacon grease on her tits to make them grow bigger (vegetarian, see) and I think I may have gone too far this time...
neo12345
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http://library.ndsu.edu/tools/dspac...ream/handle/10365/3141/26alr96.pdf?sequence=1
You can read right? Google plant defoliation academic study you'll be surprised at what you may find.
"Sheep Experiment Station, HC 62, Box 2010, Dubois, ID, 83423, U.S.A"
What sort of experiments have they been doing there?
Leafy Spurge sounds like something you'd get from an old crusty hooker!
On a serious note though all that study proves is that it may not work on that plant, or they have not found a technique for doing correctly on that plant. I can give you examples of defoliation and crops that it does work on such as cotton and grapes, which counters your argument.
http://www.sawislibrary.co.za/dbtextimages/Hunter.pdf
The yield increased after defoliation, so we are back to square one! At least I can drink my wine, not sure what you're going to do with your Leafy Spurge?
CaretakerDad
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"Sheep Experiment Station, HC 62, Box 2010, Dubois, ID, 83423, U.S.A"
What sort of experiments have they been doing there?
Leafy Spurge sounds like something you'd get from an old crusty hooker!
On a serious note though all that study proves is that it may not work on that plant, or they have not found a technique for doing correctly on that plant. I can give you examples of defoliation and crops that it does work on such as cotton and grapes, which counters your argument.
http://www.sawislibrary.co.za/dbtextimages/Hunter.pdf
The yield increased after defoliation, so we are back to square one! At least I can drink my wine, not sure what you're going to do with your Leafy Spurge?
You should actually read that study as it showed diminished cane size and decreased fruit size and I quote
"It is possible that the high budding percentage further deprived the already severely stressed vines of essential nutrients and reserves, possibly resulting in the apparently reduced shoot lengths and canes masses…….budding percentage was apparently directly affected by the improved light intensity resulting from partial defoliation with a deleterious effect on its longevity and long term health.”
They further conclude that removal of some lower canopy vegetation to improve air movement and reduce disease is beneficial as we have all said. Thank you for providing ANOTHER citation to debunk defoliation.
Reading AND comprehension are very helpful skills for learning, good luck to you.
CaretakerDad
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Hey Neo I just read your signature, perhaps you should crouch down, get down on your knees, put your head on my knees and lean forward. Be careful of your teeth, I have a 4 gage Prince Albert and a full Jacobs Ladder. kiss-ass
chuck estevez
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Oh, NO, even better, Read the conclusion at the bottom of his own link,lmfao. He just keeps making himself look stupid and I rather enjoy it.You should actually read that study as it showed diminished cane size and decreased fruit size and I quote
"It is possible that the high budding percentage further deprived the already severely stressed vines of essential nutrients and reserves, possibly resulting in the apparently reduced shoot lengths and canes masses…….budding percentage was apparently directly affected by the improved light intensity resulting from partial defoliation with a deleterious effect on its longevity and long term health.”
They further conclude that removal of some lower canopy vegetation to improve air movement and reduce disease is beneficial as we have all said. Thank you for providing ANOTHER citation to debunk defoliation.
Reading AND comprehension are very helpful skills for learning, good luck to you.
Growan
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If you pluck all the flowers off a potato plant it encourages tuber growth and therefore Is bemeficial to overall yield. Nobody does it now, but pre mechanization it was a real job for plebs. No shit.
All plants react in slightly different ways. Don't pick the flowers off your weed, cos yield will suffer.
All plants react in slightly different ways. Don't pick the flowers off your weed, cos yield will suffer.
neo12345
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What is it with you guys and your selective reading? Did you totally miss the part where it said that 33% defoliation increased the grape mass? Meaning that the yield increased.
Who cares about about a plants long term health once you've butchered the buds from them, what do you do put them outdoors so they can spend their last few moments with the sun on their stalks?? I'm not sure trying to re veg them after harvest would meet with the efficiency Police's approval either, it may well add more than 2-3 weeks to the veg time.
chuck estevez
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It is clear that the early removal of highly active, newly
matured leaves will deprive the vine of essential nutrients,
with a deleterious effect on its longevity and health. The even
defoliation applied in this study over the whole grapevine
canopy was, however, too severe and is not recommended as
a canopy management practice. It is, however, essential that
the leaves of the grapevine be maximally exploited to benefit
vegetative as well as reproductive growth during the growth
season. The present results, together with previous results,
suggest that an even removal of 33% of leaves opposite and
below bunches may be applied during the period from
flowering or berry set to pea size. The results further suggest
than in practice an even partial defoliation of 33% from as
early as pea size may be safely applied to the lower half of the
grapevine canopy. This will not only facilitate the prevention
of the potentially deleterious effects of excessive vegetative
growth and a dense canopy-interior, but improve the canopy
microclimate and stimulate metabolic activity and the contribution
of photosynthetates to the developing berry. This, as
well as the effect of partial defoliation on fruit quality, is
currently being investigated further.
An improved canopy microclimate to secure the maximum
photosynthetic activity of leaves as well as fruit
development before pea size should be obtained by other
canopy management practices such as suckering
matured leaves will deprive the vine of essential nutrients,
with a deleterious effect on its longevity and health. The even
defoliation applied in this study over the whole grapevine
canopy was, however, too severe and is not recommended as
a canopy management practice. It is, however, essential that
the leaves of the grapevine be maximally exploited to benefit
vegetative as well as reproductive growth during the growth
season. The present results, together with previous results,
suggest that an even removal of 33% of leaves opposite and
below bunches may be applied during the period from
flowering or berry set to pea size. The results further suggest
than in practice an even partial defoliation of 33% from as
early as pea size may be safely applied to the lower half of the
grapevine canopy. This will not only facilitate the prevention
of the potentially deleterious effects of excessive vegetative
growth and a dense canopy-interior, but improve the canopy
microclimate and stimulate metabolic activity and the contribution
of photosynthetates to the developing berry. This, as
well as the effect of partial defoliation on fruit quality, is
currently being investigated further.
An improved canopy microclimate to secure the maximum
photosynthetic activity of leaves as well as fruit
development before pea size should be obtained by other
canopy management practices such as suckering
chuck estevez
Well-Known Member
NEO, your study says NOT to pull leaves until the fruit is at least pea size. This goes against everything you have been claiming,RIGHT?
lilroach
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I'm a keep the leaves on the plant grower. Click on my signature link to my grows and you'll see how a combination of Uncle Ben's topping along with keeping the leaves on...how it looks. My plants are not award winning, but they ain't shabby either.
I say this because of all the photos I've seen of "successfully" defoliated plants, and I am biased, I feel that I consistently have healthier plants than those that defoliate.
As I said....I'm biased. Everyone feels their kids are great looking, and this is no different.
I say this because of all the photos I've seen of "successfully" defoliated plants, and I am biased, I feel that I consistently have healthier plants than those that defoliate.
As I said....I'm biased. Everyone feels their kids are great looking, and this is no different.
thick....alan thicke
New Member
I"m big on UB's method from seed. Done it, works great.
Nuff said. Now about those balls? Can i get that at amazon.ca? I want balls of fire too. that way, all the hot broads in my building will wan to f$ck me! Yeah that"s it that"s the ticket........
joe macclennan
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stickybuds*
Active Member
In early flower, if u have to many bud sites it's good to remove weaker shoots/buds sites, as this gives you a higher yeild and larger cola's in late flower
but has to be done right to give the this result
chuck estevez
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NEO??
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