Still sparkling/crackling no matter how much i purge?

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goalie

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Hey Guys, really need some help here please

I have made this batch using mason jar butane soak method + heat purge / vac purge:

http://imgur.com/a/nnudQ

But now 2 different batches (including the one above) seem to still have sparking/crackling no matter how much i vac them.

this morning they look like this http://i.imgur.com/0HaZ03p.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/5yvU34t.jpg

What am i doing wrong? I kept the stuff at under 115F (mostly 110F or lower). The first picture above (0HaZ03p) was buddery this morning until i melted it down again..

I'm confused and just want shatter. :)

I understand from reading that sparkling and crackling could be moisture, not necessarily tane, but either way how can i a) fix this batch and purge * and b) if it is moisture trapped, prevent it from happening next time?

thanks!
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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When I do an extract the weed has to be 100% dry. The pic does look a little sappy. Heat, or the boiling point of alcohol will crystalize the resin and that is something that is not wanted when making oil.
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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Are you blowing right into a warm dish? What is the relative humidity where you are? These can both cause moisture to be trapped.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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The jar doesn't look very frosty. What temperature was the material and butane at when you extracted?

I have better results purging at 115F minimum and -29.5".
 
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goalie

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bird mcbride said:
When I do an extract the weed has to be 100% dry. The pic does look a little sappy. Heat, or the boiling point of alcohol will crystalize the resin and that is something that is not wanted when making oil.
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No alcohol involved sir, just butane. I dried the weed for many hours near a warm computer in a tray and i think it was very dry when i broke it up tho

lio lacidem said:
Are you blowing right into a warm dish? What is the relative humidity where you are? These can both cause moisture to be trapped.
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The relative humidity is around 72% where i am. How can i know for sure if its just moisture or if its tane? I don't mind heating up moisture :P I am not extracting into a warm dish tho, i soaked the material in the butane in the freezer for around 10 minutes. I just decided to try this instead of blasting..i don't know why i did, just wanted to try.

Fadedawg said:
The jar doesn't look very frosty. What temperature was the material and butane at when you extracted?

I have better results purging at 115F minimum and -29.5".
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The butane, material, and mason jar were all in my freezer for several hours. I then blew the butane into the mason jar which was in a bowl surrounded by ice. Then i put the material in the jar, swirled it around, and put it in the freezer for around 10 minutes. Then i put a screen and coffee filter over the lid and poured it into a pyrex dish, water bathed for a bit until there was no liquid left, then scraped onto the non stick pad and started vac purging. This is the same thing that happened to me last time i did a run through the glass tube extractor, no matter how much i purge, my stuff crackles and sparkles. I appreciate any advice to help remedy this
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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Imo with 72% relative humidity it is definately moisture in there. Also putting a mason jar of butane in freezer is pretty dangerous. Freezer compressor could cause explosion. Just saying.
 
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goalie

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lio lacidem said:
Imo with 72% relative humidity it is definately moisture in there. Also putting a mason jar of butane in freezer is pretty dangerous. Freezer compressor could cause explosion. Just saying.
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I thought it was safe if butane was kept very cold. Next time i will go back to the old method of blasting instead of soaking to see how it compares.

What can i do to make sure everything is dry to prevent moisture from getting into my oil in this kind of RH?
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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The long soak method is great just safer ways to keep butane cold in the mason jar. The humidy question will have to be answered by someone else perhaps sirdabs or war machine.
 
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goalie

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Hopefully they see this and are able to answer.

I am really torn because i want to smoke this bho, but the crackling/sparkling is scaring me. Without a lab, how can i know if its moisture or butane? I've smoked 1 hit on the nail and it did seem to sizzle a little bit as it melted, but it tasted great.
 
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goalie

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lio lacidem said:
Yeah if you purged for 12hrs at 110 degrees it is definately purged and is in fact moisture.
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Well that is good to know.

If there was butane in my bho, does it have any distinct taste or smell that i could look for just in case?

If the vacuum purge still has a bit of reaction after the 10 hours, that could be moisture not necessarily butane?

Sorry for all teh questions, im just trying to make sure im safe here
 
GLobel

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If u blow in high humidity u can catch moisture. Also some butane brands have propelents that have low boiling points. If I am stuck with Newport I have to freeze it so when I blow there will be a rattling sound in the can... Also don't put it in freezer..

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goalie

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GLobel said:
If u blow in high humidity u can catch moisture. Also some butane brands have propelents that have low boiling points. If I am stuck with Newport I have to freeze it so when I blow there will be a rattling sound in the can... Also don't put it in freezer..

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I am in 72% RH here, not sure how i can make it dryer since i go outside to blast. The brand of butane i use is the colibri of london zero impurities stuff, is it ok for bhO? http://www.kustomkultureshop.com/Retail/cw2/Assets/product_full/16728-web.jpg

I took a little bit of my oil separate and took a lighter to it and it made these teeny tiny little bubbles and when i popped the bubbles with the lighter in the hot oil they came back a few times, and popped again till they didnt appear.. are these moisture or butane or something else or nothing? pic related - http://i.imgur.com/KR5G2pd.jpg
 
Sirdabsalot462

Sirdabsalot462

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Yes, please do not ever put Butane in your freezer, unless its in it's original can.

Extremely dangerous.


As far as your high RH...
The surrounding atmosphere around your dish of butane is.saturated with moisture in the form of humidity.
The super-chilled solvent has the propensity to draw in that moisture...

Your solution..
Cover the dish with a lose fitting lid as the butane evaporates.
 
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goalie

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Fadedawg said:
Blasting in high humidity gets water in the oil by forming ice along the edge of the evaporation pool, so we switched to using a deep stainless bain marie, with allows the evaporating butane to float away the humidity laden atmosphere, so no ice ring forms to dilute the oil.

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If i put a pyrex dish to blast into inside of a stainless steel vessel like this would it be less moist or would i need a pro type setup like your photos?

Sirdabsalot462 said:
Yes, please do not ever put Butane in your freezer, unless its in it's original can.

Extremely dangerous.

As far as your high RH...
The surrounding atmosphere around your dish of butane is.saturated with moisture in the form of humidity.
The super-chilled solvent has the propensity to draw in that moisture...

Your solution..
Cover the dish with a lose fitting lid as the butane evaporates.
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Alright i will not put butane in the freezer again unless in original can, thank you - i did not know this.

Alright i will try covering the dish with a loose fitting lid as it evaporates - is there anything i can do to my material or butane before hand to get even less moisture before i make it to the evap stage? thank you very much
 
Sirdabsalot462

Sirdabsalot462

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Yup...

Before extracting..you can use your chamber to dehydrate the material.

Any water content left in your bud/trim will turn to vapor in your chamber.
 
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