MidwesternGro
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Jesus would have been a Democrat. If the Christians are right then all Republicans are Hell-bound.
Is Obama the second coming of Jesus Christ or is he merely Christ-like?
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MidwesternGro
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You are on your way to Hell and you need to repent. According to Jesus Republicans are Hell-bound for not helping the poor, and they do not act like Jesus Christ would.
Matthew 25:35-46
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
There are an abundance of conservative Christian ministries out there that provide meals for the poor and homeless.
Nowhere does the bible say "I was hungry and he took food away from that guy and fed me."
You can only be charitable with your own stuff that you give from your own free will.
Giving based off of government coercion is not charity, it is theft made legal.
Do some efficiency studies, see where you get more bang for your buck, private charity, or food stamps that recipients regularly use to buy drugs.
Nowhere does the bible say "I was hungry and he took food away from that guy and fed me."
You can only be charitable with your own stuff that you give from your own free will.
Giving based off of government coercion is not charity, it is theft made legal.
Do some efficiency studies, see where you get more bang for your buck, private charity, or food stamps that recipients regularly use to buy drugs.
I bible also says give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach him to catch a fish and you've fed him for life.
Food stamps and welfare are tied to working, and losing those benefits if you take a job.
The bible isn't for forcing people to give their property to others, who are then discouraged from going out and bettering their circumstances.
This only makes sense at a very superficial level, and only if you don't understand Christianity.
Food stamps and welfare are tied to working, and losing those benefits if you take a job.
The bible isn't for forcing people to give their property to others, who are then discouraged from going out and bettering their circumstances.
This only makes sense at a very superficial level, and only if you don't understand Christianity.
Canna Sylvan
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Jesus was totally a Democrat, he even had gay sex.
MARK 10 said:
Jesus didn't want any government to force its citizens to help the poor. That burden is on individual people, who must consciously choose to help the poor.
So I don't understand why Republicans must be bound for hell. It's an individual choice; ideology is totally irrelevant.
I may not be able to defend this post in the future. What the fuck is this shit software? I was cringing at quoting and replying...
UncleBuck
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besides "render unto caesar" and all that jazz, no one is forced to pay taxes.
so all of this "taxation is theft" and "forced to give property" nonsense you idiots espouse is false on its face.
Who are these idiots you speak of? I have no complaints about taxation. I merely point out that taxation undoubtedly would not satisfy the duty assigned by Christ. Anything Jesus said is totally irrelevant to the subject of taxation.
UncleBuck
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you said the government forces its citizens to help the poor. it doesn't. your choice to work and pay taxes is all of your own free will.
Canna Sylvan
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The Buddha's father, King Suddhodana, didn't want to force unnecessary taxes upon his people because he considered it theft to take what belonged to others through force.
The government indisputably forces citizens to help the poor. Paying taxes is not optional. This would not satisfy Christ. That's all I'm saying.
You can speak of the merits of the rich supporting the poor through taxation all you like, but don't suggest or imply that Jesus supported it. Because he didn't.
UncleBuck
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paying taxes is a completely voluntary choice, as is signing a W4. even if it were not:
"render unto caesar the things that are caesar's..."
jesus was all for taxation. he said it pretty plainly. see above.
Nutes and Nugs
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This is all fine and dandy until you end up in prison.
ObamaCare and the IRS are tied together.
You either submit the forms or be fined.
Don't pay the fine, a warrant for your arrest.
Get caught and you will go to jail.
Where do I sign my W-4?
UncleBuck
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it's a shame i'm not allowed to berate you more descriptively anymore, because what you just said is only something that very stupid people say or very uninformed people say.
there is no criminal penalty in obamacare. that means no warrants, no jail.
only someone who is either dumb or lying would not only believe but also repeat the lie you just repeated. hanlon's razor dictates that i attribute your error to the former rather than the latter.
has anyone ever forced you to sign a W4?
were you allowed to not sign that tax withholding agreement known as the W4?
you tell me.
and don't forget to render unto caesar, all those hispanics who ruined your town are depending on you, white hetero christian male.
Nutes and Nugs
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It's not criminal until you refuse to pay the fine.
What happens when you don't pay a fine?
What happens when you don't pay a fine?
Paying taxes is not voluntary. You owe taxes whether you sign a W4 or not. If you don't pay the taxes you owe, that makes you a tax evader.
With that said, I agree that Jesus took no issue with the state's taking of money from people or its use of that money, hence the phrase you quote. This is why I dismiss any, for example, Catholic criticism of federal funding for birth control, etc. But paying taxes is not equivalent to the kind of charity Christ advocated--indeed, paying taxes is "render[ing] unto Caesar," not donating to the poor; such payments would surely be irrelevant in any celestial recogning.
Your fixation on this document is puzzling. It has absolutely nothing to do with the obligation to pay taxes. You owe taxes regardless of the document, whether it exists, whether you signed it, and so on. The document is irrelevant. If you're self-employed--as millions of people are, as I have been--you've quite possibly never even seen a W4.