evolutionary racism not debunked

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BigNBushy

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No, a certain member loves to go around trumpeting how evolutionary racism has been debunked.

@Pada, if a baby decides his own race are SUPERIOR playmates, that seems to fit.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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BigNBushy said:
No, a certain member loves to go around trumpeting how evolutionary racism has been debunked.

@Pada, if a baby decides his own race are SUPERIOR playmates, that seems to fit.
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If the baby decides they're superior based SOLELY on the colour of their skin.

I don't know about your fucked up family, but my son never even saw a difference in peoples skin colour until he hit about 6 and even then he only saw it as a novelty, no more than differences in hair colour.
 
Doer

Doer

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BigNBushy said:
A new study finds babies are born racist assholes...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10770563/Babies-show-racial-bias-study-finds.htmldy-finds.html
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This is their result? Not science.
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In a second experiment, 80 white 15-month-old babies saw a fair and an unfair researcher distribute toys to a white and an Asian recipient.

Half the babies saw the unfair experimenter give more to the Asian recipient and the other half saw them give more to the white recipient.

The study, published in the journal Frontiers in Psychology, found that when it came to picking a playmate, the babies picked the fair researcher less often when the unfair one had given more toys to the white recipient rather than the Asian one.
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Here is why it is a stupid conclusion.

These are 15 month olds. Have they ever been in anything before but racially pure grouping? I don't know. It doesn't sound like it.

Have they every seen an Asian before the experiment? I doubt it. Do Asians have a bias to whites? Yes they do. They are raised with it.

So, these fairness tests are very interesting, I have seen others. But, this one is not designed properly to show this.

How do you do it? Simple. You use babies from mixed race couples.

That would be a different outcome. Shame on them and shame on all bad science.
 
Doer

Doer

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BTW, Frontiers in Psychology? Usually pretty far out there. But still a respected journal.

They recently retracted an article about the Pathology of Climate Deniers. So, they can't be all bad.
 
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Wilksey

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Babies aren't born "racists".

Babies ARE, however, born with the ability to discriminate. Discrimination is a survival tool, and works just as well for people as it does for potentially rotten / poisonous food sources.

Race can certainly be a factor used to discriminate due to cultural norms within ethnic groups, however, ethnicity alone is usually never the issue as much as it is the culture of the individual.
 
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BigNBushy

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Doer said:
This is their result? Not science.
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In a second experiment, 80 white 15-month-old babies saw a fair and an unfair researcher distribute toys to a white and an Asian recipient.

Half the babies saw the unfair experimenter give more to the Asian recipient and the other half saw them give more to the white recipient.

The study, published in the journal Frontiers in Psychology, found that when it came to picking a playmate, the babies picked the fair researcher less often when the unfair one had given more toys to the white recipient rather than the Asian one.
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Here is why it is a stupid conclusion.

These are 15 month olds. Have they ever been in anything before but racially pure grouping? I don't know. It doesn't sound like it.

Have they every seen an Asian before the experiment? I doubt it. Do Asians have a bias to whites? Yes they do. They are raised with it.

So, these fairness tests are very interesting, I have seen others. But, this one is not designed properly to show this.

How do you do it? Simple. You use babies from mixed race couples.

That would be a different outcome. Shame on them and shame on all bad science.
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Look, I tend to agree with you. It's hard to learn anything from a baby.

My point was that someone said evolutionary racism has been debunked. As proof they offered up a study where neonates (much younger than 15 months) had no real change in facial expressions when presented with faces of different races.

My point is that you can glean many results from babies because they can't tell you what they are thinking.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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BigNBushy said:
Look, I tend to agree with you. It's hard to learn anything from a baby.

My point was that someone said evolutionary racism has been debunked. As proof they offered up a study where neonates (much younger than 15 months) had no real change in facial expressions when presented with faces of different races.

My point is that you can glean many results from babies because they can't tell you what they are thinking.
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Fine, you win.

Seig Heil bro, you've opened mine eyes.
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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Have you seen the one when they show children pictures of
disabled children
children of other races
fat children

then they ask which of these would you least like to be your friend lol
 
TheSnake

TheSnake

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Here on planet internet, no one is a race. We are just words, and a screen name. Imagine, we could all walk past one another at any time in life, and not meet the (approachable) version in person, but here we respond without thinking.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BigNBushy said:
A new study finds babies are born racist assholes...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10770563/Babies-show-racial-bias-study-finds.htmldy-finds.html
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15 month old babies have learned an awful lot in 15 months.

if you want to see if racism is innate rather than learned, check out some day old babies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566511/

[h=3]Results[/h]Preliminary examination of the data revealed no significant effects of gender on looking times, so data were combined for further analysis. A paired samples two-tailed t-test conducted on the total time spent looking at Caucasian vs. other-race faces yielded a non-significant result (t = .036, df = 47, p = ns). Observation of the overall mean percentage of looking time verifies that newborns attended equally to both the Caucasian (49.73%) and the other-race faces (50.27%). The overall null preference was represented within each of the three ethnicity conditions: African (49.02%) vs. Caucasian (50.98%); Middle Eastern (49.83%) vs. Caucasian (50.17%); Asian (51.66%) vs. Caucasian (48.34%), with no comparison approaching significance. Newborns also displayed a null preference in the Caucasian (49.04%) vs. Caucasian (50.96%) condition.


[h=3]Discussion[/h]Overall the results obtained in Experiment 1 suggest that at birth, newborns display no spontaneous preferences for faces from own- or other-ethnic groups. Although null results can be difficult to interpret, it is unlikely that these results are due to an inability to differentiate between faces from different ethnic groups, given that newborns discriminate between faces from within their own ethnic group (Pascalis & de Schonen, 1994). The most likely account is that newborns are able to discriminate between faces from different ethnic groups, but no group elicits a greater attraction.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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evolutionary racism is the thesis that racism is instinctual or innate, rather than a learned behavior.

studying a 15 month old baby will not tell you anything about its innate, rather than learned, behaviors.

major fail by the board's foremost white supremacist, bigotednbushy.

(^^^^just let me know if applying labels properly is over the line, mods)
 
Doer

Doer

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BigNBushy said:
Look, I tend to agree with you. It's hard to learn anything from a baby.

My point was that someone said evolutionary racism has been debunked. As proof they offered up a study where neonates (much younger than 15 months) had no real change in facial expressions when presented with faces of different races.

My point is that you can glean many results from babies because they can't tell you what they are thinking.
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Did you mean can't in that last sentence?

I don't see much use from the these baby studies, except what we already know.

It is not that we are all born calm, trusting, and knowing the differnece of anything.

It is simply that even a worm will turn from pain. ( an expression from management. :) )

It is just that babies prefer simple and nice, no strife, no compettiion, etc is more simple on a baby no-mind.

It doesn't mean babies are not born bad, or anything like that.
 
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