Greenleaf Medicinal product recall

[woodsmaneh!]

someone sneezed while packing the MMJ, so some patient has snotty weed.

Funny but true, if I was scratching my Johnson or just had a piss and did not wash there would be Johnson germs on anything I touched, including your weed. Health inspectors find Dick germs on meat cutting equipment all the time in grocery stores, so yes we take it real serious and if you come in sick and coughing I might even send you home.

I posted an sop earlyer but here is some more info

INSTRUCTIONS:

1. Train employees on using the procedures in this SOP.

2. Follow Federal Health department requirements.

3. Follow manufacturer’s instructions regarding the use and maintenance of equipment and use of products for cleaning and sanitizing contact surfaces. Refer to Storing and Using Cleaning and Sanitizing SOP.

4. Wash, rinse, and sanitize contact surfacesof sinks, tables, tools, carts, and equipment:

• Before each use
• Any time contamination occurs or is suspected

5. Wash, rinse, and sanitize contact surfaces of sinks, tables, tools, carts, and equipment using the following procedure:

• Wash surface with detergent solution.
• Rinse surface with clean water.
• Sanitize surface using a sanitizing solution mixed at a concentration specified on the manufacturer’s label.
• Place wet items in a manner to allow air drying.

and it goes on and on and on and on forever. Maybe now people are starting to relies just how hard it is to get up and running in this business.

By the way a good QAP will cost you $60,000 to $1000,000 plus a year. If you know any QA's that will work for bud mp me LOL.

 

[Jackal69]

and another one
http://www.theobserver.ca/2014/04/19/medical-marijuana-recalled-after-health-canada-inspection-finds-problems-at-bc-based-production-site

 

[leaffan]

Thanks once again Woodsman.

 

[woodsmaneh!]

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/04/19/greenleaf-marijuana-recalled-for-unknown-reasons/

LOL

I think they have a valid point about needing to know what's the reason and I think it will become clear next week. But I have to tell you in my many years of smoking for fun and smoking for medical reasons I have smoked some questionable cannabis and when you travel lots you sample from all over the world, the first question out of my mouth is always has this cannabis been through a rigorous quality control, more like How Much not is this shit.

Never died,never got sick, never though about it much, till it turned into a business, now that's all I think about.

 

[woodsmaneh!]

Did you know LP's have to have a Integrated Pest Management plan also. It has to be monitored everyday and shift, can't have mice shit in your product, or bugs.

I have a bunch of microscopes that I use all the time to monitor plant health. I'll pull a leaf off here and there and have a look at them. I use anywhere from 30x to 1000x, I always see odd stuff stuck to the trichromes, fibers from my shirt, dust and odd things I don't know what they are and I run sealed rooms. GreenLeaf is a wake up call to everyone in this business, lets hope everyone listens and learns. Maybe a raise is in order for QA's,

 

[gb123]

No mouse turds or bug in my meds I can tell ya.


seeing as how you missed this post...

"
We are talking about 5 to 6 pound here but it will be destroyed you can count on that. PL's in Canada can only sell dried cannabis and nothing else. Check back after the election in 14 months and we will see recreational use and all kinds of goodies.
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5 or six pounds. You sound so sure of yourself here. HTF do you know? They recall 6 pounds lmao..Do you really think that's all the recalled weed they have in stock...only 6 pounds ? lol
...and its going in the bin.. lmao. Sure it is lol "

 

[ispice]

Ive always been a proponent of having two qualities of cannabis, sterile and non.

The standards are good enough as is for your average patients and user, and future monographs that get implemented or become acceptable will acknowledge the powdery mildew shortfalls of the current standards.

That being said those who are severely immunocompromised should have access to a quality of product that ensures there is absolutely nothing but cannabis in their packaging on a microscopic level. Irradiation will leave residues and structures of any microorganism that are present, this is not acceptable. Sterile production would be required for this.

I do not know of any quality assurance person in the traditional world that has the knowledge and understanding of indoor horticulture and integrated pest management on a microbiological contamination level, or at least its rare enough that it would be an unacceptable barrier to expect all LP's to employ such a person who possess's those formal qualifications.

After all as HC stated they want this to be open to small producers as well, why would they have the option for individuals to apply as well as corporations. What do they expect an individual LP to do? My budget would allow for employing a full time QAP, but I feel just as qualified as any other QAP, even more so in some cases.

This is a contentious area, as obviously no one wants contaminated or unsafe weed and who is in charge of this is important but a balance and proper, open discourse must be had between applicants and HC to determine appropriate QA and who is eligible to be a QAP.

 

[islandmadness]

Thanks for the clarification. Very Weird coincidence with the P.O. Boxes eh?
Nice website by the way.

Very weird indeed,

Its like they both went out and got PO boxes right next to each other without even knowing it.....


"Greenleaf is working with licensed producers to help clients affected by the recall."

Wonder what LP they are working with? and how easy it will be to make sure all their clients have product when they need it.

Can someone explain this?? or does it all seem too coincidental?

 

[ispice]

I find it frustrating that there is clear video evidence of blatant violations of the GPP as well as the Security divisions of the regs by perhaps the two largest non PPS LP's.

Did the bud that Peace Naturals CEO touch his nostrils with get sold? His helmet is not protecting his plants from contamination.

Why is Remo in Tweed's productions rooms, a clear violation of section 46. In the same video Remo and a couple of very hairy employees walk around unprotected. There is hair and dust mites all over their plants and buds, and probably hair itself, clearly a violation of section 57.

Is the playing field even? Where is the bar and who is setting it?

 

[woodsmaneh!]

Very weird indeed,

Its like they both went out and got PO boxes right next to each other without even knowing it.....


"Greenleaf is working with licensed producers to help clients affected by the recall."

Wonder what LP they are working with? and how easy it will be to make sure all their clients have product when they need it.

Can someone explain this?? or does it all seem too coincidental?

Most LP's state on their apps that they will buy canabis and plants from each other as a general rule. Who they are dealing with, just look to see who has the kush they need. Does not mean they will sell it. They have other strains so it's not like all the cannabis is garbage, I hope.

 

[Jackal69]

I personally think greenleaf medicinals shouldn't have pulled there website as that shows deceit, left it up and explained exactly why they have to recall their product, either to show how stupid HC is being or show that they really fucked the pooch. because in reality to send someone an email to inform them of this, if it really is a health concern... is crap... as there are times when I don't look at my email for days ... so these patients are now consuming poison (just saying a worst case scenario) and will have major health issues because of this, meanwhile Greenleaf medicinals close up shop so they don't get lawsuits against them or criminal charges? it should be part of the regulations that LP's and also HC have to be fully transparent to the public whether or not they are a patient or even a possible patient. this whole thing seems way to covered up, as far as it will come out sometime in the future ...I say NO! this should have been totally brought forth from the time it was shut down and recall was issued. they didn't recall meds for nothing, there had to be a reason why... not just a blanket statement that could cover any issue under the sun.

I would be pissed if I was getting that medication from them and look into maybe a class action towards HC as they should have provided exact details on their website about the recall.

even tho it maybe something very stupid on HC that made the recall but as of now no one knows but HC inspectors and Greenleaf medicinals

 

[woodsmaneh!]

No mouse turds or bug in my meds I can tell ya.


seeing as how you missed this post...

"
We are talking about 5 to 6 pound here but it will be destroyed you can count on that. PL's in Canada can only sell dried cannabis and nothing else. Check back after the election in 14 months and we will see recreational use and all kinds of goodies.
Click to expand...
5 or six pounds. You sound so sure of yourself here. HTF do you know? They recall 6 pounds lmao..Do you really think that's all the recalled weed they have in stock...only 6 pounds ? lol
...and its going in the bin.. lmao. Sure it is lol "

product in stock who knows, my concern is the product that got out to patents and as there were only 63 of them they can only hold 150 g under the new law so at most if all 63 had 150 g each that = 9459 g = 21 pounds but the number is not realistic so based on patent ordering history it's more like they had 22.5 grams each or less, less being the operative word. People who buy meds don't have lots of money so not a lot out their to come back.

Lets look at your FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about destroying the bad product. "...and its going in the bin.. lmao. Sure it is lol "

Anyone of the cannabis companies out there have anywhere from 1 million to 20 million invested in a company that has gone up 4x in value and is generating positive income $$$$, their going to toss it all away for a couple hundred thousand dollars of bad product??? to make a quick buck?

Really? Lets see, I invest all that money and the future looks so bright I have to wear sunglasses, and I'm going to sneak out bags of bad weed, sorry just never going to happen and if it did you go to jail if you get caught. Your argument makes no sense to me.

 

[woodsmaneh!]

Ive always been a proponent of having two qualities of cannabis, sterile and non.

The standards are good enough as is for your average patients and user, and future monographs that get implemented or become acceptable will acknowledge the powdery mildew shortfalls of the current standards.

That being said those who are severely immunocompromised should have access to a quality of product that ensures there is absolutely nothing but cannabis in their packaging on a microscopic level. Irradiation will leave residues and structures of any microorganism that are present, this is not acceptable. Sterile production would be required for this.

I do not know of any quality assurance person in the traditional world that has the knowledge and understanding of indoor horticulture and integrated pest management on a microbiological contamination level, or at least its rare enough that it would be an unacceptable barrier to expect all LP's to employ such a person who possess's those formal qualifications.

After all as HC stated they want this to be open to small producers as well, why would they have the option for individuals to apply as well as corporations. What do they expect an individual LP to do? My budget would allow for employing a full time QAP, but I feel just as qualified as any other QAP, even more so in some cases.

This is a contentious area, as obviously no one wants contaminated or unsafe weed and who is in charge of this is important but a balance and proper, open discourse must be had between applicants and HC to determine appropriate QA and who is eligible to be a QAP.

65% of my work is on QA sections, thank you health Canada. The real issue is the people who do the reviewing are not qualified to do it. HC does not have qualified QAP's reviewing your documents they are clerks, god help us if their pro's because it does not show. I have a couple PHD's in Bio that work with me and they have both been told they are not qualified, one even after he was qualified on another contract. You just have to hammer away at them and give them what they want. I know sometimes you don't know what they want, I'm not sure they know what they want and maybe just keep asking questions till they think they have what they should so can cover their asses.

Right now I think HC is managing the LP's and not the process.

 

[gb123]

You sound like someone who believes everything you've been told.
Sneeking a few pounds of bad weed. lol
It's not I who doesn't have the clue of what they are talking about.

Cheers dude man.

 

[woodsmaneh!]

You sound like someone who believes everything you've been told.
Sneeking a few pounds of bad weed. lol
It's not I who doesn't have the clue of what they are talking about.

Cheers dude man.

Personal attacks on Easter, no chocolate kush for you.

 

[Agracan]

I'll try to call my contact at GLM tomorrow to see what's up, or to see if they are at liberty to discuss at least.

Again I have to agree that they are going to be back and fairly soon , the amounts of investment and time put into the operation is not something you do to make a quick buck and abandon.

There may be absolutely nothing wrong with the actual product people received and the issue is procedural but as a macro control measure they yanked the product just in case. Its all speculation until we hear something official.

 

[gb123]

@ Woodsman ... damn.... that's hard ball

 

[WHATFG]

This is all perfect. The more fuck ups there are the better I say. By the time we get in front of the SCC we will be armed to the teeth with enough bullshit to shut this farce down! I refuse to think any differently.

 

[leaffan]

whatfg....are you associated with seedsman?
huh...that was weird....there was an advertisement in your post box and now it's gone.

 

[Big Pauly]

Very weird indeed,

Its like they both went out and got PO boxes right next to each other without even knowing it.....


"Greenleaf is working with licensed producers to help clients affected by the recall."

Wonder what LP they are working with? and how easy it will be to make sure all their clients have product when they need it.

Can someone explain this?? or does it all seem too coincidental?

Greenleaf is working with NO ONE! It's a gimmick so people don't get a bad impression of corporations supplying the weeds. All Greanleaf is going to do is refund all monies to those that payed and return their MMAR's etc. You see, the big or 'listed 12 LP's were having a meeting the other day and it was brought to their attention that one of the LP's were severely undercutting the others, 'Greenleaf' with their $5.00 a gram pricing. That was going to cause strife so it was decided that they needed another BIG company fast to fill Greenleaf's boots. Enter Tilray, an American co. that is, in my opinion, using a lot of Greenleaf's stock to have them ready to go like now!

PO boxes next to each other is NOT coincidental. That in itself should substantiate the fact that they were working together, at least at the very end. This is my theory based on facts I've read and email I've received from Greenleaf.