Flush?

[~Dankster~420]

It all depends on what type of nutrients your using. Organically grown plants really don't require long flushes if any.

Flush for 10-14 days. I water a couple of times with molasses during that span. If someone tells you they can't taste ferts in the non flushed plants they probably say coke and Pepsi taste the same.

Not only does the flavor change For the better, but it's a smoother more favorable smoke for the throat. Not harsh.

 

[Smootherpete]

Maybe you should let him know about his dirty little secret then.

I copied that from Dunbar Santiago a little higher up in the thread.

 

[~Dankster~420]

lol. yeah I had seen where he originally posted after submitting my post. lol

I copied that from Dunbar Santiago a little higher up in the thread.

 

[churchhaze]

It doesn't matter if it's organic or not.

The plant ultimately eats the same chemicals. Organic doesn't mean there's no chemicals. Bacteria breaks down organic material into the same nitrates found in nitrate salts.

Even organic growers get a lot of their nutrients from inorganic sources, such as rock phosphate and calcium carbonate (lime), clay and silt (loam), etc, which all provide a great deal of the plants nutrients in soil.

The plant takes up the same ions regardless of whether you grow organically or hydroponically. The grower and his recipe or soil composition is by far a bigger factor than whether the plant was grown with synthetics or not.

 

[~Dankster~420]

Well, I am not going to sit here & argue over who is right, and who is wrong. All I know is for the past 15 yrs, I nor no one else can tell that any nutes have been used in what I kick out. Without a flush to beat all. Although sometimes I feel like a flush, sometimes I don't

It doesn't matter if it's organic or not.

The plant ultimately eats the same chemicals. Organic doesn't mean there's no chemicals. Bacteria breaks down organic material into the same nitrates found in nitrate salts.

The plant takes up the same ions regardless of whether you grow organically or hydroponically. The grower and his recipe or soil composition is by far a bigger factor than whether the plant was grown with synthetics or not.

 

[Jussblaz3420]

Pretty much what dankster said, there is no right or wrong, just preference.

 

[churchhaze]

That suggests you're a good grower and know what you're doing, and pick good genetics. What I'm saying is anyone who really knows what they're doing should be able to produce awesome tasting product.

"organic" is a very over-used word these days. Technically, it's only supposed to mean molecules with C, H, and O, but now it's used to mean non-human made. Obviously plants eat N, P and K, Ca, Mg, S, and not just C, H and O.

Humans didn't invent the way chemistry works, we just figured it out. Inorganic salts always existed. That's why plants eat ions. Plants actually will only eat inorganics. That's why bacteria have to convert it to that form first.

Well, I am not going to sit here & argue over who is right, and who is wrong. All I know is for the past 15 yrs, I nor no one else can tell that any nutes have been used in what I kick out. Without a flush to beat all.

 

[churchhaze]

The thing that makes most plants taste/smoke bad almost always has to do with a bad cure.

High starch and chlorophyll levels will smell like hay, break up and burn poorly, and taste like crap.

The white ash is actually the nutrients (potash)

 

[Wavels]

Mr. churchhaze is absolutely correct...accurate and instructive posts...great job Sir!

 

[Sativied]

Mr. churchhaze is absolutely correct...accurate and instructive posts...great job Sir!

Well, I hate to nitpick, ok not really but it seems to upset some people. Guessing Church won't mind:

That's why plants eat ions. Plants actually will only eat inorganics.

I agree with the message of what you are saying but I think the message comes across better if the word 'eat' is avoided entirely and 'take up' is used instead. A mistake many growers make, more so with organic grows it seems, is working on the assumption a plant eats and a grower feeds it, while the plant is actually a food producer for all other living beings. That's what makes plants so special and why unlike most organism is immobile, doesn't need to look for food, it can create it from the basic elements. Ions are just that, elements, it's the plant that turns it into something edible.

 

[st0wandgrow]

It doesn't matter if it's organic or not.

The plant ultimately eats the same chemicals. Organic doesn't mean there's no chemicals. Bacteria breaks down organic material into the same nitrates found in nitrate salts.

Even organic growers get a lot of their nutrients from inorganic sources, such as rock phosphate and calcium carbonate (lime), clay and silt (loam), etc, which all provide a great deal of the plants nutrients in soil.

The plant takes up the same ions regardless of whether you grow organically or hydroponically. The grower and his recipe or soil composition is by far a bigger factor than whether the plant was grown with synthetics or not.

I agree with that for the most part. There is one caveat to that though ....

When using synthetics, you are bypassing the soil food web and directly feeding the plant. This requires a grower to know specifically what a plant needs, and how much of it the plant needs at various points of the plants life cycle. Most growers over feed, and because of this nutrients can very easily accumulate in plant tissue. When growing organically the plant works in unison with the microbes in the medium, directing them through root exudates to supply to it precisely what it needs, when it needs it resulting in very little (if any) accumulation of nutrients.

I do agree with your general premise though.

 

[~Dankster~420]

Been using a newer product called P3 (plant probotic) . Ran a side by side grow around a yr ago on the VS results. Just recently started adding it back into rotation. Keeps the plants looking healthy, nice & green & very lush. Nice tight nodes, and suppose to improve the yields of harvests. Also suppose to improve the microbes in ones soil as well. my Wild Hog has been getting the P3.

That suggests you're a good grower and know what you're doing, and pick good genetics. What I'm saying is anyone who really knows what they're doing should be able to produce awesome tasting product.
"organic" is a very over-used word these days. Technically, it's only supposed to mean molecules with C, H, and O, but now it's used to mean non-human made. Obviously plants eat N, P and K, Ca, Mg, S, and not just C, H and O.

Humans didn't invent the way chemistry works, we just figured it out. Inorganic salts always existed. That's why plants eat ions. Plants actually will only eat inorganics. That's why bacteria have to convert it to that form first.

 

[bird mcbride]

.If we had pot growers on rollitup that were willing to post we would know the difference.
If you're going to grow seriously you should never grow where you reside.

 

[~Dankster~420]

well hell, trust me if I had access to a warehouse, I would defiantly be using it.

.If we had pot growers on rollitup that were willing to post we would know the difference.
If you're going to grow seriously you should never grow where you reside.

 

[bird mcbride]

Cool thing about all synthetic flood and drain systems They don't emit fowl odours.

 

[Milovan]

I got a best bud that lives and grows up in Arcata, Humboldt County
for the past 13 years, his wife and kids grow as well and he told me
up there in Humboldt 2 weeks before harvest most growers feed the
shit out of their plants till the end (Harvest). They call it "pumping".
This is the route I take every grow and with complete honesty when
friends and I or whoever smokes my buds they say that on the inhale
the smoke is as smooth as ice or silk. It is so smooth that you can't feel
any smoke going down your throat whatsoever while inhaling. You actually think
your not getting any smoke till you exhale from the massive expansion
and a cloud of smoke comes out that tastes great due to the clone only elite
strains I grow. I tell you right now, there is absolutely no possible way
anyone's smoke on this entire earth can be any smoother
then what I grow. I grow in FFOF soil using both organics and synthetics
combined and I do not flush.

 

[zander19]

This here is why the flushing debate will never end. People will always think there is fertilizer in the plant material. They don't understand that a plant takes nutrients and converts them. Take the relationship between nitrogen and chlorophyll for example. A plant takes in nitrogen, puts out chlorophyll. A leaf falls on the ground, the dirt breaks it down and turns that leaf back into nitrogen. Plants store some excess nutrients, but the amount is so small that there's no way it would ever affect the way it burns or smokes. Which is why no one can tell the difference between a bud that was flushed and one that wasn't. It's all in the dry/cure and the environment it was dried/cured in. You dry weed in a house that stinks like dog, it will come through in the smell and taste of the bud. I know a dude that thinks his bud is top notch, but he doesn't realize that it tastes like his dirty house. He doesn't notice because he lives there and smells it all day.

i here what you saying but i tested this out with a friend he never flushed i did some strain but for the one that was not flushed the smoke was much more harsh on the throat compared to when it was flush. if you using all these hard chemical feeds the you will have a nasty chemical taste every time you do not flush. flushing will help you smoke. this is my view on it guys.
PEACE

 

[Jussblaz3420]

Yea your totally right about the foul odors, i made a tea with bonemeal once, one of the worst scents to ever travel up my nostril's

 

[Dunbar Santiago]

I agree with that for the most part. There is one caveat to that though ....

When using synthetics, you are bypassing the soil food web and directly feeding the plant. This requires a grower to know specifically what a plant needs, and how much of it the plant needs at various points of the plants life cycle. Most growers over feed, and because of this nutrients can very easily accumulate in plant tissue. When growing organically the plant works in unison with the microbes in the medium, directing them through root exudates to supply to it precisely what it needs, when it needs it resulting in very little (if any) accumulation of nutrients.

I do agree with your general premise though.

Plants naturally accumulate extra nutes in case the soil gets depleted. You can't get around it whether you're in soil or hydro. But like i said earlier, the amount is so small it doesn't need to be flushed. A plant can only hold so much nutrient in reserve. There can be an imbalance of nutrients (too much n p or k) in organic soil just like hydro resulting in deficiencies or burn. The idea that in (organic) soil a plant gets exactly what it needs when it needs it, is inaccurate. If that were the case, it would be impossible to burn a plant in organic amended soil.

 

[nflguy]

LOL and the debate continues!