Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow

I've used predatory mites before and they work but it may be too late if you only have 10 days. You could pay some expensive overnight shipping and maybe get them Tuesday or Wednesday unless you can find some locally,most of the breeders seem to be on the west coast. The predators seem to suck the goodies out of the mites and their eggs like a spider but I think leave the carcass behind. Once they run out of things to eat they die off and they look like another mite so your dispensary will just think their regular mites unless they know better.
 
captainmorgan said:
I've used predatory mites before and they work but it may be too late if you only have 10 days. You could pay some expensive overnight shipping and maybe get them Tuesday or Wednesday unless you can find some locally,most of the breeders seem to be on the west coast. The predators seem to suck the goodies out of the mites and their eggs like a spider but I think leave the carcass behind. Once they run out of things to eat they die off and they look like another mite so your dispensary will just think their regular mites unless they know better.
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foreverflyhi said:
Lady bugs work if they are established, takes time imo.
Look into predatory mites, those work wonders.
I spray up until a week ir two before harvest, never ever had a problem. Most sprays i use are botanicals.
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It's just not worth it. Not very many mites(hopefully) and the amount of lady bugs should take care of it. I put a shit ton in there...even if they eat one egg a piece 700+ lady bugs will do some work on what ever is in there in order to survive. Sorry ladybugs...you died with honor!!!
HolyGhost23 said:
be nice to compare this 2000 dollar light to a homemade cree CXA set up...
like maybe this guys light vs your AT600
http://rollitup.org/t/diy-led-grow-lights-with-cree-cxa3070-cobs-and-cpu-coolers.805681/
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I'm glad your finally on the cxa wagon and not just boasting that a cheap light can compete with a top end brand. But I hope you realize that the cxa isn't a cheap, no name, low bin chip. THE top end if you get the top bin and on paper are fucking killer.

As for 480w vs 685w over the same space...it's not going to beat the AT. Just saying and I thing that many would agree even cxa guys(I'm in the closet about my cxa love, but it's there).

Watt for watt would be a great show. And by all means make it happen...but just talking about how you don't think "professional" panels are better than a cheap chinese is a joke.

DIY can incorporate the most up to date tech as soon as possible. No tooling, overhead, testing to go about. Just buy and build.
I have said it many times...I have a few diy's on the drawing boards but I have plenty of great performing "professional" panels that I have no need to side bar at this time. If the cxa takes it to a new level(we have to wait and see) then I will get on it. But I don't see any other lights doing what the at600 is right now.

Glad you found the best. Now go grow something with it.
 
SNEAKYp said:
Nope, it's classified as generally recognisable as safe by the FDA. It's what e-cig juice is made out of, plus it's used in the farm industry to mix feed.
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Personally, I do not trust the FDA as far as I can throw them

And yes it IS toxic. It's fucking engine coolant

Fluoride was passed off as a cavity fighter.

It's a fucking residue from making aluminum.

Some POS got a lot of money to fund some BS studies.

Best studies dirty money can by

Sound familiar? FDA has supported it from day one

It's taken 30 years of battling, but FINALLY, people are winning.

Dallas just got it eliminated from their water supply.

 
Once your CO2 system is setup your pest problems will be over for good...........NOT cheap, but neither is the crop we're growing:P

Excellent comparison run so far GG, couldn't be done better IMO

be safe grower
 
PSUAGRO. said:
Once your CO2 system is setup your pest problems will be over for good...........NOT cheap, but neither is the crop we're growing:P

Excellent comparison run so far GG, couldn't be done better IMO

be safe grower
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I have a buddy who tried to get rid of mites and thrips. flooding the room with co2. Used up 2 20 lb tanks in one day. It didn't do shit to the bugs. He got the idea from seeing it on weed wars. It didn't work on that show either.. IPM's and lady bugs is all you can do and sometimes vacuum flyers
 
hyroot said:
I have a buddy who tried to get rid of mites and thrips. flooding the room with co2. Used up 2 20 lb tanks in one day. It didn't do shit to the bugs. He got the idea from seeing it on weed wars. It didn't work on that show either.. IPM's and lady bugs is all you can do and sometimes vacuum flyers
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Maybe you where "hy" and left the door open:P, AGAIN the room needs to be SEALED or it won't work
http://www.theweedblog.com/how-to-get-rid-of-spider-mites-on-marijuana-plants/
http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/187438-co2-pesticide.html
http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/co2_tred.pdf
http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/plant-doctor/using-co2-for-pest-control-t32107.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/51715-pest-control-co2.html
http://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news/...ts-disease-control/136433-co2-kill-mites.html

It's been used in agriculture(food crop storage) forever

ohhhhhhhhhhh me likey.............found this http://cyclone-duster.weebly.com/why-co2.html wonder how much though, can save on the tanks though.
 
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Ive seen ppm as high as 1500 ppm with a COMPLETE sealed room with a dialed in environment for weeks and nope the spider mites lived. Horrible site looking back. Also seen other growers here on riu with similar stories. Once the spider mites are established/infestation, co2 will not kill them.
Maybe for beginning stages of infestation, co2 might kill them, but im pretty sure these little bastards adapt or even prefer high co2 levels, means more plant growth for them to eat lol

Edit: just read some of those articles, pretty much seal room for 15 mins to a hr with ppm as high as 100000 i believe i read. Thats nuts, that can kill someone. Waste of co2 for something that is not forsure. Maybe beginning stages but not a full blown infestation
 
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lol he saw it on a show where it DIDNT work and it inspired him to try it? damn stoners

i have never completely wiped out spider mites in growrooms where they showed up. just managed their population to where the plants werent suffering.
 
Myles117 said:
lol he saw it on a show where it DIDNT work and it inspired him to try it? damn stoners

i have never completely wiped out spider mites in growrooms where they showed up. just managed their population to where the plants werent suffering.
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they showed it on one epsode. then he tried it. then the next episode they showed the results. that was a week apart. weed wars was on discovery channel a couple years ago.
 
foreverflyhi said:
^yup

All government agencies are liars.

Just like the US forest agency, they sell acres to timber companies to clear cut forest to make a profit.

Dont get me started on the agriculture department, fucking vampires
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I agree, but once they cut the timber it makes a hell of a good place to plant your weed for a couple of years...
 
foreverflyhi said:
Ive seen ppm as high as 1500 ppm with a COMPLETE sealed room with a dialed in environment for weeks and nope the spider mites lived. Horrible site looking back. Also seen other growers here on riu with similar stories. Once the spider mites are established/infestation, co2 will not kill them.
Maybe for beginning stages of infestation, co2 might kill them, but im pretty sure these little bastards adapt or even prefer high co2 levels, means more plant growth for them to eat lol

Edit: just read some of those articles, pretty much seal room for 15 mins to a hr with ppm as high as 100000 i believe i read. Thats nuts, that can kill someone. Waste of co2 for something that is not forsure. Maybe beginning stages but not a full blown infestation
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Flooding the room would be 1,000,000 ppm. 100%. Not the paltry 10% you speak of. And yes. that not only can, but will kill you.
 
PetFlora said:
Personally, I do not trust the FDA as far as I can throw them

And yes it IS toxic. It's fucking engine coolant

Fluoride was passed off as a cavity fighter.

It's a fucking residue from making aluminum.

Some POS got a lot of money to fund some BS studies.

Best studies dirty money can by

Sound familiar? FDA has supported it from day one

It's taken 30 years of battling, but FINALLY, people are winning.

Dallas just got it eliminated from their water supply.
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You have a point to an extent, but it's not like flouride when used correctly it isn't beneficial. But back to the point I was making with the Propylene Glycol. There are only 3 deaths contributed to it either solely or with a combination of other chemicals. It isn't carcinogenic nor does it cause genetic defects, and is only toxic if you were to inject a large quantity into your veins. I think peer reviews stand for themselves. That's where I got my data. You can call almost anything toxic, but I hardly can call something with only 3 deaths attributed to it a major health concern.
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+174
 
SNEAKYp said:
You have a point to an extent, but it's not like flouride when used correctly it isn't beneficial. But back to the point I was making with the Propylene Glycol. There are only 3 deaths contributed to it either solely or with a combination of other chemicals. It isn't carcinogenic nor does it cause genetic defects, and is only toxic if you were to inject a large quantity into your veins. I think peer reviews stand for themselves. That's where I got my data. You can call almost anything toxic, but I hardly can call something with only 3 deaths attributed to it a major health concern.
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+174
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I hear admonishments all the time to not leave puddles of it about because it will kill dogs and cats that drink it.
 
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