DonAlejandroVega
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"Do you really give a fuck if some Chinese family beside a coal plant has a shitty quality of life?"
yes
yes
unsourced copy/paste about an OPINION POLL for fuck's sake.Demographics
Residential demographics affect perceptions of global warming. In China, 77% of those who live in urban areas are aware of global warming compared to 52% in rural areas. This trends is mirrored in India with 49% to 29% awareness, respectively.
Of those countries where at least half the population are aware of global warming, those with the greatest proportion believing that global warming is due to human activities spend more on energy.
In Europe, individuals under fifty-five are more likely to perceive both "poverty, lack of food and drinking water" and climate change as a serious threat than individuals over fifty-five. Male individuals are more likely to perceive climate change as a threat than female individuals. Managers, white collar workers, and students are more likely to perceive climate change as a greater threat than house persons and retired individuals.
Political identification
In the United States, support for environmental protection was relatively non-partisan in the past. Republican Theodore Roosevelt established national parks whereas Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt established the Soil Conservation Service. This non-partisanship began to erode during the 1980s when the Reagan administration described environmental protection as an economic burden. Views over global warming began to seriously diverge between Democrats and Republicans during the negotiations that led up to the creation of the Kyoto Protocol in 1998. In a 2008 Gallup poll of the American public, 76% of Democrats and only 41% of Republicans said that they believed global warming was already happening. The gap between the opinions of the political elites, such as members of Congress, tends to be even more polarized.
In Europe, opinion is not strongly divided among left and right parties. Although European political parties on the left, and Green parties, strongly support measures to address climate change, conservative European political parties maintain similar sentiments, most notably in Western and Northern Europe. For example, France's center-right President Chirac pushed key environmental and climate change policies in France in 2005–2007, and conservative German administrations (under the Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union) in the past two decades have supported European Union climate change initiatives. In the period after former President Bush announced that the United States was leaving the Kyoto Treaty, European media and newspapers on both the left and right criticized the move. The conservative Spanish La Razón, the Irish Times, Irish Independent, the Danish Berlingske Tidende, and the Greek Kathimerini all condemned the Bush administration's decision along with left-leaning newspapers.
In Norway, a 2013 poll conducted by TNS Gallup found that 92% of those who vote for the Socialist Left Party and 89% of those who vote for the Liberal Party believe that global warming is caused by humans, while the percentage who held this belief is 60% among voters for the Conservative Party and 41% among voters for the Progress Party.
The shared sentiments between the political left and right on climate change further illustrate the divide in perception between the United States and Europe on climate change. As an example, conservative German Prime Ministers Helmut Kohl and Angela Merkel have differed with other parties in Germany only on "how to meet emissions reduction targets, not whether or not to establish or fulfill them."
Ideology
In the United States, ideology is an effective predictor of party identification, where conservatives are more prevalent among Republicans, and moderates and liberals among independents and Democrats. A shift in ideology is often associated with in a shift in political views. For example, when the number of conservatives rose from 2008 to 2009, the number of individuals who felt that global warming was being exaggerated in the media also rose.
so you're claiming that not only do 34 national academies have it all wrong, but they KNOW they have it all wrong and continue the lie anyway?I continue to embrace my WELL-KNOWN position that the claim that man is a significant cause of any change in the climate is a complete fabrication.
desperate is calling roy spencer a "well respected scientist".unsourced copy/paste about an OPINION POLL for fuck's sake.
you clowns are desperate now.
he thinks he's Churchill.......lol!desperate is calling roy spencer a "well respected scientist".
desperate is accusing 34 national academies of science of playing politics while your "well respected scientist" works for a political think tank that takes money from exxon-mobil.
desperate is accusing AGW proponents of "religion" while your "well respected scientist" is a creationist who is beholden to an evangelical pledge on AGW.
desperate is every tactic that you blockheads use, especially since we have seen them all before when you guys were doing the same thing with respect to the harmfulness of tobacco.
Really, I've read every post the good doctor has made on the subject and I think our opinions align rather well.so you're claiming that not only do 34 national academies have it all wrong, but they KNOW they have it all wrong and continue the lie anyway?
pardon my greek, but you are one stupid motherfucking idiot. even kynes would agree with that.
how about some Peer Reviewed Science, to Science away your opinion poll of Non-Scientists:Demographics
Residential demographics affect perceptions of global warming. In China, 77% of those who live in urban areas are aware of global warming compared to 52% in rural areas. This trends is mirrored in India with 49% to 29% awareness, respectively.
Of those countries where at least half the population are aware of global warming, those with the greatest proportion believing that global warming is due to human activities spend more on energy.
In Europe, individuals under fifty-five are more likely to perceive both "poverty, lack of food and drinking water" and climate change as a serious threat than individuals over fifty-five. Male individuals are more likely to perceive climate change as a threat than female individuals. Managers, white collar workers, and students are more likely to perceive climate change as a greater threat than house persons and retired individuals.
Political identification
In the United States, support for environmental protection was relatively non-partisan in the past. Republican Theodore Roosevelt established national parks whereas Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt established the Soil Conservation Service. This non-partisanship began to erode during the 1980s when the Reagan administration described environmental protection as an economic burden. Views over global warming began to seriously diverge between Democrats and Republicans during the negotiations that led up to the creation of the Kyoto Protocol in 1998. In a 2008 Gallup poll of the American public, 76% of Democrats and only 41% of Republicans said that they believed global warming was already happening. The gap between the opinions of the political elites, such as members of Congress, tends to be even more polarized.
In Europe, opinion is not strongly divided among left and right parties. Although European political parties on the left, and Green parties, strongly support measures to address climate change, conservative European political parties maintain similar sentiments, most notably in Western and Northern Europe. For example, France's center-right President Chirac pushed key environmental and climate change policies in France in 2005–2007, and conservative German administrations (under the Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union) in the past two decades have supported European Union climate change initiatives. In the period after former President Bush announced that the United States was leaving the Kyoto Treaty, European media and newspapers on both the left and right criticized the move. The conservative Spanish La Razón, the Irish Times, Irish Independent, the Danish Berlingske Tidende, and the Greek Kathimerini all condemned the Bush administration's decision along with left-leaning newspapers.
In Norway, a 2013 poll conducted by TNS Gallup found that 92% of those who vote for the Socialist Left Party and 89% of those who vote for the Liberal Party believe that global warming is caused by humans, while the percentage who held this belief is 60% among voters for the Conservative Party and 41% among voters for the Progress Party.
The shared sentiments between the political left and right on climate change further illustrate the divide in perception between the United States and Europe on climate change. As an example, conservative German Prime Ministers Helmut Kohl and Angela Merkel have differed with other parties in Germany only on "how to meet emissions reduction targets, not whether or not to establish or fulfill them."
Ideology
In the United States, ideology is an effective predictor of party identification, where conservatives are more prevalent among Republicans, and moderates and liberals among independents and Democrats. A shift in ideology is often associated with in a shift in political views. For example, when the number of conservatives rose from 2008 to 2009, the number of individuals who felt that global warming was being exaggerated in the media also rose.
Dr Roy Spencer is respected enough for NOAA and NASA, but not enough for you...desperate is calling roy spencer a "well respected scientist".
desperate is accusing 34 national academies of science of playing politics while your "well respected scientist" works for a political think tank that takes money from exxon-mobil.
desperate is accusing AGW proponents of "religion" while your "well respected scientist" is a creationist who is beholden to an evangelical pledge on AGW.
desperate is every tactic that you blockheads use, especially since we have seen them all before when you guys were doing the same thing with respect to the harmfulness of tobacco.
he has never called it a "hoax" or a "lie" at all.Really, I've read every post the good doctor has made on the subject and I think our opinions align rather well.
so now you're saying that the government only ever hires perfectly competent employees?Dr Roy Spencer is respected enough for NOAA and NASA, but not enough for you...
There has been no "recent backpedalling"; the IPCC has been consistent in all 5 reportsno, the question remains because despite their recent backpedalling, the IPCC continues to base their "How Much" assertions on guesswork and deliberately falsified data.
Origins [John Birch Society]robert welch (the founding member of the john birch society) DIED in 1958, long before the global warming "crisis" was ever dreamed up.
i cited a journalist who stumbled onto the real data, and was threatened with lolsuits if he revealed it. i cited NOTHING from welch, so that would be a LIE
and yet you did make that shit up...
"smearing", "bullying", "intimidating".. all bullshit words that are meant to imply there's some debate about science because you can't argue the scientific facts. If you believe something that is bullshit, you get laughed out of academia, that's how it works. What's next, are you going to go to a gay pride parade and cry about heterosexual discrimination?a million wrong answers based on a political agenda and smearing those scientists who offer a different opinion is still the WRONG answer.
Says the guy who cites the John Birch Society to prove anthropogenic climate change is a hoax...smart enough to make you look like a fool, so what does that say about you?
they won't listen...........pick out a fashionable gas mask, and some sporty sun goggles, and acquire a taste for bugs...........I would also submit how the artic is warming at twice the global rate and forcing Alaskan Natives to relocate villages after thousands of years. http://tribalclimate.uoregon.edu/files/2010/11/AlaskaRelocation_04-13-11.pdf
Exactly.Nobody cares