Virignia Tech shooting 32 people DEAD

[NO GROW]

did anybody else see the video he mailed to NBC after the first shootings. It was posted on yahoo today.

 

[k-town]

I looked at some picture of him holding guns at the camera and other various stupid shit but I didn't watch the video because I don't have any speakers so I felt like it wasn't worth watching if I can't hear it

 

[skunkushybrid]

Gun control, especially in the US given its current situation, serves to take guns away from people who want them and need them for protection. Criminals, gangsters, killers etc.. will most likely always be able to get their hands on a gun. That would just make everyday good people, like you and I, more vulnerable.
Until the government can pretty much garuntee that criminals aren't going to have guns, then they shouldn't be trying to take them away from law abiding citizens.

Protection from what? Your everyday criminal does not have access to guns in my country. An everyday criminal could not afford one. If he could he wouldn't need to go out burgling people... protection from what?

I have a big dog, this deters all burglars. I don't even need an alarm on my house, don't have one. When I used to be a burglar an alarm never deterred me, but a big dog would. You talk about criminals as though they are different to you. Most criminals just want to make MONEY, not hurt people.

Gangsters, yes these will always have access to guns... but who are they shooting? Is it you and me, or do they shoot each other?

Guns are for pussies.

 

[k-town]

Protection from what? Your everyday criminal does not have access to guns in my country. An everyday criminal could not afford one. If he could he wouldn't need to go out burgling people... protection from what?

I have a big dog, this deters all burglars. I don't even need an alarm on my house, don't have one. When I used to be a burglar an alarm never deterred me, but a big dog would. You talk about criminals as though they are different to you. Most criminals just want to make MONEY, not hurt people.

Gangsters, yes these will always have access to guns... but who are they shooting? Is it you and me, or do they shoot each other?

Guns are for pussies.

well if your everyday criminal can't afford one then couldn't he just steal one (he is a criminal)I mean isn't that how guns get on the street I'm sure people don't go buy them in their name and turn around and sell them on the streets( for half price) so somebody can go commit a murder with a gun that's in their name

And yea most criminals do just want money but not all what aboout rapist you telling me you wouldn't want your mom to have a gun so she can defend her self from being raped and possibly murdered because if 250 pound man decides to come in there what is she going to do? (meant no disrespect towards ur mother just example)

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[skunkushybrid]

well if your everyday criminal can't afford one then couldn't he just steal one (he is a criminal)I mean isn't that how guns get on the street I'm sure people don't go buy them in their name and turn around and sell them on the streets( for half price) so somebody can go commit a murder with a gun that's in their name​

And yea most criminals do just want money but not all what aboout rapist you telling me you wouldn't want your mom to have a gun so she can defend her self from being raped and possibly murdered because if 250 pound man decides to come in there what is she going to do? (meant no disrespect towards ur mother just example)​

If there was a total prohibition on guns where is he going to steal one from? If it was the case that he managed to find a gun to steal, know what he'd do with it? Sell it to a gangster, or a (normally) law abiding citizen that feels he needs one in the house (where most likely it would be kept in a box in the loft, for fear of being caught with it).

The trouble is in your country there are guns everywhere, they are all too easy to come by.

If my Mother was around, she wouldn't need a gun...

 

[k-town]

well is there a total prohibition on guns or not? If he could somehow manage to get a gun it don't sound like your country doing it's job keeping guns out and if a normal person will keep this gun and hide it then what happens when he is forced to protect himself/herself and shoots somebody and the police find out if there are not suppose to be NO guns? And what's with all this crap about gangsters running around with guns(but nobody else) and your country seems to be ok with this?

Oh and if I were a criminal and stole a gun I would use it to rob people!

 

[skunkushybrid]

It appears that trying to explain anything to you is going to be hard work.

I will reiterate however; there are different types of criminals.

 

[k-town]

really I think this whole thread and debate just comes down to a matter of opinion

 

[J - Dog]

really I think this whole thread and debate just comes down to a matter of opinion

No shit Sherlock.

It isn't an issue of gun control or blame gaming.
Dude was sick, and regardless he did what he did.

Lets not Blame the Va Tech faculty and police force. They got a tough job..
Theres all these Pot smokers they need to focus on.

 

[splifman]

Protection from what? Your everyday criminal does not have access to guns in my country. An everyday criminal could not afford one. If he could he wouldn't need to go out burgling people... protection from what?

I have a big dog, this deters all burglars. I don't even need an alarm on my house, don't have one. When I used to be a burglar an alarm never deterred me, but a big dog would. You talk about criminals as though they are different to you. Most criminals just want to make MONEY, not hurt people.

Gangsters, yes these will always have access to guns... but who are they shooting? Is it you and me, or do they shoot each other?

Guns are for pussies.

Yes, but we are not talking about your country are we? We are talking about the United States. You cannot compare England’s gun issues with U.S. gun issues, because the situation is COMPLETELY different! I won’t get into the reason for the difference because that is a whole other debate in itself.

It’s easy to rant and rave about gun control and how it will solve everything, but the realty is that with all the guns in circulation in the U.S. any crazy person will be able to get his hands on one. Yes, it won’t be as easy or legal, but they will still have access to them, especially if they want one bad enough. And believe me, if a psycho mass murder wants one bad enough, he’ll get one.

The new laws of gun control will primarily affect law abiding citizens, who will most likely respect these new laws.

In no way whatsoever did I make any claim that all criminals have guns and are trying to kill people. Some criminals aren’t as extreme as others! I couldn’t care less if a burglar or criminal wants money or wants to hurt someone. If you break into my house for whatever reason, you better be really good at dodging bullets. I’m not going to wait around to find out if you are going to hurt me or just want my money!!! Are you kidding me man???! “excuse me Mr. Burglar, do you want to hurt me and my family or do you just want my stuff? Ohhh… my stuff, well go right ahead… please take my stuff that I bought with my hard earned money”

So to answer your question, people sometimes, not always, need to protect themselves from the scum of the earth like burglars, thieves, murderers, rapists, and anyone else who could potentially cause them harm. Yes, you are right a lot of criminals don’t want to physically hurt people, but why in the fuck should we have to take that kind of risk?

 

[fdd2blk]

once we start messing with the US Constitution it's over.
The Bill of Rights --:: The Bill of Rights Institute ::---

 

[fdd2blk]

Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[k-town]

In no way whatsoever did I make any claim that all criminals have guns and are trying to kill people. Some criminals aren’t as extreme as others! I couldn’t care less if a burglar or criminal wants money or wants to hurt someone. If you break into my house for whatever reason, you better be really good at dodging bullets. I’m not going to wait around to find out if you are going to hurt me or just want my money!!! Are you kidding me man???! “excuse me Mr. Burglar, do you want to hurt me and my family or do you just want my stuff? Ohhh… my stuff, well go right ahead… please take my stuff that I bought with my hard earned money”

LMAO!!!! agree totally, that's pretty much what I've been trying to say

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[skunkushybrid]

Yes, but we are not talking about your country are we? We are talking about the United States. You cannot compare England’s gun issues with U.S. gun issues, because the situation is COMPLETELY different!I won’t get into the reason for the difference because that is a whole other debate in itself.

It’s easy to rant and rave about gun control and how it will solve everything, but the realty is that with all the guns in circulation in the U.S. any crazy person will be able to get his hands on one. Yes, it won’t be as easy or legal, but they will still have access to them, especially if they want one bad enough. And believe me, if a psycho mass murder wants one bad enough, he’ll get one.

The new laws of gun control will primarily affect law abiding citizens, who will most likely respect these new laws.

In no way whatsoever did I make any claim that all criminals have guns and are trying to kill people. Some criminals aren’t as extreme as others! I couldn’t care less if a burglar or criminal wants money or wants to hurt someone. If you break into my house for whatever reason, you better be really good at dodging bullets. I’m not going to wait around to find out if you are going to hurt me or just want my money!!! Are you kidding me man???! “excuse me Mr. Burglar, do you want to hurt me and my family or do you just want my stuff? Ohhh… my stuff, well go right ahead… please take my stuff that I bought with my hard earned money”

So to answer your question, people sometimes, not always, need to protect themselves from the scum of the earth like burglars, thieves, murderers, rapists, and anyone else who could potentially cause them harm. Yes, you are right a lot of criminals don’t want to physically hurt people, but why in the fuck should we have to take that kind of risk?

No, the results would be the same. It might take longer but gun prohibition is possible.

So what do I do if I get burgled (by a guy that definitely doesn't have a gun, or he wouldn't be a burglar)? The answer is, I don't get burgled in the first place. Piece of piss, anyone can deter a burglar. You don't need a fucking gun. I won't tell you the answer as this is a different debate entirely.

 

[k-town]

No, the results would be the same. It might take longer but gun prohibition is possible.

So what do I do if I get burgled (by a guy that definitely doesn't have a gun, or he wouldn't be a burglar)? The answer is, I don't get burgled in the first place. Piece of piss, anyone can deter a burglar. You don't need a fucking gun. I won't tell you the answer as this is a different debate entirely.​

gun prohibition is NOT possible in the U.S. without going against every thing we stand for and invading our privacy I mean how would you suggest that they get all these illegial guns off the street go knock on everyones door and say "hey got any guns in there" or just wait till the next criminal comes in with a gun and take it, by that time another criminal on the other side of the state has just stolen a gun to replace the gun that the police just took.​

where do you get this if your a burglar you don't have a gun shit have you ever heard of ARMED ROBBERY I know plenty of people who break into people's houses while they are there and stick him up for everything they got and someone try's to start a tussle with them they will shoot ya ass and think nothing of it and the whole point is you DON'T know if this guy that just broke in to your house at 3a.m. has a gun or NOT and I for one am not gonna wait for him to shoot me and find out I'm gonna shoot his ass and call the police and say" this motherfucker just broke in my house I shot him he's laying on my floor come pick this peice of shit up"​

See you must live in some little fantasty village over your country where you can leave your doors unlocked and keys in the visor of your car, well I live right smack dab in the middle of the ghetto i hear shootings every night on my block, see shooting on the news every morning when I wake up, You can't walk down the street without some young peice of shit punk wanting to say something slick, jump you, shoot at you, etc. you name it been through it man so excuse me if I feel a little safer with my guns but it ain't never gonna change.​

 

[carlito]

It takes a very sick person to do something like that. What do you bet they say he smoked pot and that type of behavior somehow lead to this?

haha but you know what the irony is...if he smoked pot he probably wouldnt have done this because chances are he's going through stress but pot actually makes you calm..

 

[k-town]

yeah they should give cops joints and every time there's a problem the cops roll's up and drops a joint off and you toke up and talk it out.. lol

I would be down for that!

 

[skunkushybrid]

gun prohibition is NOT possible in the U.S. without going against every thing we stand for and invading our privacy I mean how would you suggest that they get all these illegial guns off the street go knock on everyones door and say "hey got any guns in there" or just wait till the next criminal comes in with a gun and take it, by that time another criminal on the other side of the state has just stolen a gun to replace the gun that the police just took.​

where do you get this if your a burglar you don't have a gun shit have you ever heard of ARMED ROBBERY I know plenty of people who break into people's houses while they are there and stick him up for everything they got and someone try's to start a tussle with them they will shoot ya ass and think nothing of it and the whole point is you DON'T know if this guy that just broke in to your house at 3a.m. has a gun or NOT and I for one am not gonna wait for him to shoot me and find out I'm gonna shoot his ass and call the police and say" this motherfucker just broke in my house I shot him he's laying on my floor come pick this peice of shit up"​

See you must live in some little fantasty village over your country where you can leave your doors unlocked and keys in the visor of your car, well I live right smack dab in the middle of the ghetto i hear shootings every night on my block, see shooting on the news every morning when I wake up, You can't walk down the street without some young peice of shit punk wanting to say something slick, jump you, shoot at you, etc. you name it been through it man so excuse me if I feel a little safer with my guns but it ain't never gonna change.​

Gun amnesties, where you hand in your guns and the government buy them off you, no questions asked.

I get this burglars aren't armed shit from living in a country where they aren't. armed robbers in my country are looking for bigger scores than the shit you have in your house. unless, of course, you're rich. Then it is a gang of balaclava'd men that have usually planned things to something approaching perfection. The reason burglars aren't armed in my country is because of the low access to guns.

Oh, and the fantasy village part... one day.

 

[splifman]

No, the results would be the same. It might take longer but gun prohibition is possible.

So what do I do if I get burgled (by a guy that definitely doesn't have a gun, or he wouldn't be a burglar)? The answer is, I don't get burgled in the first place. Piece of piss, anyone can deter a burglar. You don't need a fucking gun. I won't tell you the answer as this is a different debate entirely.

I don’t know what fantasy world you’re living in, but as soon as I find out, I’m buying a first class ticket there. To say the result will be the same, but it might take a little longer, is a debate in itself. Okay, lets say the result will be the same, for the next 20 years should innocent law abiding citizens not be allowed to protect themselves, while criminals still have access to guns!?!? Come on, let’s try and be a little reasonable here with our assumptions. The whole point is that, I do believe that in states like Virginia, there should be a much more stringent background checks when buying a gun, but to just ban guns is just completely unrealistic.

Not everyone has a big dog to deter burglars. And not everyone wants to chase a burglar out of there house without some kind of insurance or back up. There are other types of weapons that burglars can carry, like knives. So, I guess I should just make a quick stop by my kitchen and pick up my biggest knife so I can give this honorable burglar a fair fight, knife on knife. Why in the hell should I have to take that risk? Some degenerate is breaking into my house, and I am not taking any chances.

And let’s not loose track of what we are talking about. This isn’t only about burglars; you seem to be fixated on burglars…. this is about crazy people, rapist, and many more of society’s degenerates. Where I live there are many home invasions every year, where inhabitants are attacked. Yes, it isn’t commonplace, but it does happen. So why shouldn’t I be allowed to keep a gun in my bedroom if that day ever comes???

 

[splifman]

gun prohibition is NOT possible in the U.S. without going against every thing we stand for and invading our privacy I mean how would you suggest that they get all these illegial guns off the street go knock on everyones door and say "hey got any guns in there" or just wait till the next criminal comes in with a gun and take it, by that time another criminal on the other side of the state has just stolen a gun to replace the gun that the police just took.​

where do you get this if your a burglar you don't have a gun shit have you ever heard of ARMED ROBBERY I know plenty of people who break into people's houses while they are there and stick him up for everything they got and someone try's to start a tussle with them they will shoot ya ass and think nothing of it and the whole point is you DON'T know if this guy that just broke in to your house at 3a.m. has a gun or NOT and I for one am not gonna wait for him to shoot me and find out I'm gonna shoot his ass and call the police and say" this motherfucker just broke in my house I shot him he's laying on my floor come pick this peice of shit up"​

Exactly. Its just unrealistic. And how can you be so sure, that a burglar isn't armed with something and going to hurt you?! thats just crazy