Hydro and soil side by side!

DrCannaPath

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I'm not new to growing in soil but I am to hydro. Repeated attempts at conquering DWC failed miserably special thanks to the damn slime! Finally I decided to try Heisenberg's tea for 2 plants in hydro and in case this fails too, I have 2 other plants in soil.
So let's get this started:
Setup:
1.2x1.2 (pretty tall. Don't remember height)
600W HID (MH now then HPS) with an 8" cooling tube with reflectors. The duct fan is powerful enough (can't remember the exact CFM).
Osculating fan x 2.

Hydro:
15 gal Rubbermaid bucket with 3 x 5" net pots. The res get 10 gals or a little more (half RO water and half tap). 105w air pump hooked to 4 x 3" blue air stone balls. Nutes are GH FloraNova and diamond nectar. I also use Heisenberg's tea exactly as directed. I use great white in place of the ZHO and Aquashield. I use dates molasses instead of blackstrap molasses.
Plants in hydro: 1xSensi northern lights. 1x G13 Labs Pineapple express.
Note: bote are rooted beautifully. However, the NL was born with one baby leaf. The other fell off with the seed shell. This is why she's a bit delayed. Now she has one curled up perm leaf and shooting a pair of 3 blade ones! The other is at its 3rd node.
Soil:
5" pots. Soil is 30% sand, 30% perlite, 20% peat moss (buffered with lime) and 20% wiggle worm EWC, 1 table spoon high N bat guano and 1 table spoon high P bat guano. Heisenberg's teas was also use and the soil was pretreated with great white. Soil gets watered when pots are almost completely dry (but before wilting). I water with RO and little FloraNova.
Soil plants:
1xpurple haze (found the seed in buds that I got from the bulldog cafe in Amsterdam.
1xBarneys farm liberty haze (got the seed from a bud I harvested from a plant that hermied).
Now because I want to guarantee a min of 3-4 plants, I also germinated another LH seed in case the NL fails or one of the soil plants turn out to be a dude!
The 4 plants are 18 days old today (from the moment I places the seeds between wet paper towels). The extra LH is 3 days old today and only today I placed the rooted seed in a RootIt plug!
Photos to follow.........

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DrCannaPath

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Any tips and comments are welcome. I'm new to all strains in this grow but the liberty haze. I had problems with severe mag deficiency (at least that's what I narrowed it down to). they grow fast. I think (with the LH being the fastest growing plant in the grow) she's already starting to show some deficiency this early. Pics to follow

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As I promised, here are pics of the plants.
1st is the northern lights. You can see the deformed leaf but the new growth is normal. Her stem is a bit weak but she's fighting. Her roots are growing nicely with the tea and with side branching.

2nd is the Pineapple express. She's catching up to Tue soil plants. She spent her first week working on the root mass and I can see her growing above and catching up to the purple haze!

3rd is the purple haze. Darker green than the rest. Responding nicely to the FIM.

4th is the liberty haze. She's outgrowing all the other plants and is showing similar deficiency to the previous LHs I grew (mag???) .... Anyway I added some Epsom salt on top of her soil and watered. She grows up very fast.

5th is the newly planted LZ in hydro. I'm top feeding her for now til the roots come out the netpot!

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Botonist

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Im currently growing a liberty haze and was wondering if you had problems with it streching. Mine is also taking forever to flower, im getting ready to cut it down cause i gotta raise one of my lights so high, the aculpoco gold isnt getting enough but is flowering better. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Botonist said:
Im currently growing a liberty haze and was wondering if you had problems with it streching. Mine is also taking forever to flower, im getting ready to cut it down cause i gotta raise one of my lights so high, the aculpoco gold isnt getting enough but is flowering better. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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When I grew it last time (in soil) I had this same deficiency which affected the yield at the end. Yes the plant grows very tall. After you flip the light expect it to grow 2 inches a day. The stretching slows down after 3-4 weeks. It more than doubled in high.

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DrCannaPath

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Botonist said:
Im currently growing a liberty haze and was wondering if you had problems with it streching. Mine is also taking forever to flower, im getting ready to cut it down cause i gotta raise one of my lights so high, the aculpoco gold isnt getting enough but is flowering better. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Barney's farm says it flowers in 8 weeks. Expect it to be 10 if not 11 weeks

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DrCannaPath

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Heres an update on the babies:

Pic 1: NL growing slowly but nicely. I clipped the large deformed leaf because it was weighing down the plant. The stem is still too weak to support the asymmetric growth.
Pic 2-3: pineapple express growing fast and catching up to the soil plants. Rusty spots appeared today on the second set (3 blades leaf set). To me it looks like mag def so I upped the nuts a little and added Epsom salt (total Epsom and FloraNova grow added = 100ppm).
Pic 4: purple haze is nice and green but and isn't stunned by the FIM much.
Pic 5: soil LH is doing better. The leaf problem isn't progressing and this plant grows upward fast.
Pic 6: baby hydro LH growing slowly. Top feeding until I see roots!.



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One day later (after increasing the grow nutes and adding little Epsom (for a total ppm increase of 100) the pineapple express is much greener and fuller than yesterday!!! I also FIMed it!
Because of the accelerated upward growth of this LH, I decided to pinch and bend the top shoot (I hope this was OK! I wasn't sure if we can supercrop the main stem)


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PetFlora

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DWC is a PITA

Buy a 1" Bulkhead Fitting + 1/2" tubing + 1-2 elbows

Get a drip manifold from Lowes/HD and top feed,

Any bucket can be used as a rez- put your stones in it.

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DrCannaPath

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Changed the res today and upped my nutes to include 3/4 the second week dose of FloraNova Grow for a total of 650ppm (including full dose of diamond nectar and 5ml total of B essential micro and submicro nutes and little Epsom salt) as you can see the NL (first pic) is growing nicely finally and the PE (second pic) already outgrew the two soil plants which I transferred to 5 gal pots with the same soil mix as described in the first post!
After the supercropping the soil LH, we can see the little new shoots are growing upward!
The hydro LH (last pic) finally dropped her rootlets in the res and I'll be watching her shoot up!


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Cool man, Im looking forward to seeing the results, I'm doing something similar, subcools supersoil vs my dutch pot system.

Soil has always been more challenging to me....
 
PetFlora

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I don't use those nutes, but I would not be over 400ppm at that stage

I stay under 500 until I flip. 650 is a lot of nutrients unless the plant is making buds
 
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GrowerGoneWild said:
Cool man, Im looking forward to seeing the results, I'm doing something similar, subcools supersoil vs my dutch pot system.

Soil has always been more challenging to me....
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Yeah dude. Same here. Soil has given me lots and lots of problems with salt buildup and pH. I think my problem is the quality of different soils available here. I actually had to bring all the soil amendments with me back from the USA!
DWC hydro, compared to all the different soil mixes I've used in my previous grows, is proving to be superior and simpler! The plants grow a lot faster and bushier in DWC the minute the seedlings root!!!

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DrCannaPath

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PetFlora said:
I don't use those nutes, but I would not be over 400ppm at that stage

I stay under 500 until I flip. 650 is a lot of nutrients unless the plant is making buds
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Thanks bro for your reply. I believe my problem is Ca def. See, my ppm includes 150 ppm from tap. So really my grow nutes plus the diamond nectar (fulvic acid) is less than 500ppm (not to forger that I also added little Epsom salt which is included in the 650).
At first I was between Mg and Ca def. However, since the problem got worse overnight the same time my pH shot up to 6.7, a good pH for mg absorption and a bad pH for cal absorption, I believe the problem is cal def. I lowered the pH to 5.8 and hopefully this will help calcium uptake!
Thoughts?

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GrowerGoneWild

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Id up your nutes for the one that has ca/mg problems. FN should be adequate for it.

I think your calculation is off, and FN in low concentrations is too weak to lower PH correctly.

I've always deducted start water PPM from final strength calc. so 650 - 150= 400 So your solution is too weak thats why you're seeing problems. Even a seedling/clone that size under HID should be ok around 800 actual PPM. Heck I run 900 @ 5.7 for a clone or something going into veg like a mom. Works for most strains..

I dont know if you should be using Diamond nectar so early and at low feed strategy, my understanding is its a chelation agent, and I usually use it in when pushing heavy feeding.

Sorry to go off on a non soil tangent..
 
DrCannaPath

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GrowerGoneWild said:
Id up your nutes for the one that has ca/mg problems. FN should be adequate for it.

I think your calculation is off, and FN in low concentrations is too weak to lower PH correctly.

I've always deducted start water PPM from final strength calc. so 650 - 150= 400 So your solution is too weak thats why you're seeing problems. Even a seedling/clone that size under HID should be ok around 800 actual PPM. Heck I run 900 @ 5.7 for a clone or something going into veg like a mom. Works for most strains..

I dont know if you should be using Diamond nectar so early and at low feed strategy, my understanding is its a chelation agent, and I usually use it in when pushing heavy feeding.

Sorry to go off on a non soil tangent..
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Thanks for the tips brother. I'll read more about diamond nectar and try to understand the science behind why its good etc and that'll help me use it with full benefits.
I'll also up the nutes like you suggested.

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