What if the cops story is true?

[desert dude]

if this was such an outrageous felonious robbery, why did the store keeper not bother to even report it?

why do you have nothing bad to say about sirgreenthumb, who fully admitted to robbing people violently?

ditto donalejandro. he broke into people's properties to rob them. that can get you shot quicker than anything. yet you made not a peep about that thief.

why the glaring double standard there?



just kidding, i know why.

Whether the strong arm robbery was reported is irrelevant. It happened; it's on video for all to see. The fact that it happened lends weight to the claim that the same violent criminal assaulted a police officer a few minutes later.

On top of that, what kind of moron commits robbery and then proceeds to make a spectacle of himself by walking down the middle of a busy street? It seems to me that Mr. Brown was all pumped up and spoiling for a fight. Unfortunately for him, he found one.

 

[Ceepea]

Do you not understand that all of us have a right to self defense, even cops. Who said anything about judges?

Shooting an unarmed man, who is no where near you is self defense?

A person becomes LEO, judge, jury, and executioner when they end someone's life.

You've decided they are a threat, that the threat is worthy of death, and then proceed to kill the person.

How are you not understanding this?

 

[UncleBuck]

Whether the strong arm robbery was reported is irrelevant. It happened; it's on video for all to see.

looks like he paid for his cigars though.

http://ringoffireradio.com/2014/08/michael-brown-paid-full-footage-shows/

and he never touched the store clerk until after the store clerk assaulted him.

everyone has a right to self defense, right?



the store clerk never reported a robbery or a theft. a customer reported that they THOUGHT they witnessed a theft.

but none of this will matter to you, because you are a white supremacist and the dead kid you are trying to smear is black.

we've seen this out of you before.

 

[desert dude]

Shooting an unarmed man, who is no where near you is self defense?

No. Is that what happened?

Was the cop assaulted? Is it reasonable to believe that a guy who just assaulted you is likely to continue to assault you?

 

[desert dude]

looks like he paid for his cigars though.

http://ringoffireradio.com/2014/08/michael-brown-paid-full-footage-shows/

and he never touched the store clerk until after the store clerk assaulted him.

everyone has a right to self defense, right?



the store clerk never reported a robbery or a theft. a customer reported that they THOUGHT they witnessed a theft.

but none of this will matter to you, because you are a white supremacist and the dead kid you are trying to smear is black.

we've seen this out of you before.

Hahahahahahaha.

Could you point to the point in the video you linked to that shows Mr. Brown paying for anything?

 

[UncleBuck]

Hahahahahahaha.

Could you point to the point in the video you linked to that shows Mr. Brown paying for anything?

can you point to the call where the store owner reported a theft of any kind?

 

[Ceepea]

No. Is that what happened?

Was the cop assaulted? Is it reasonable to believe that a guy who just assaulted you is likely to continue to assault you?

According to the prelim coroners report, yes, that's what happened.

Shot in the top of the head while he was bent down, not close to the cop, e.g. no powder marks on the clothing or skin.

 

[desert dude]

According to the coroners report, yes, that's what happened.

Shot in the top of the head while he was bent down, not close to the cop, e.g. no powder marks on the clothing or skin.

Did the coroner's report say Mr. Brown was charging forward toward the cop?

How far away do you have to be to have powder residue on you when shot?

 

[Ceepea]

Did the coroner's report say Mr. Brown was charging forward toward the cop?

How far away do you have to be to have powder residue on you when shot?

Even if he WAS charging towards him, did the police officer have other non-deadly option at his disposal?

I'll give you a clue.... the answer is yes.

 

[UncleBuck]

Did the coroner's report say Mr. Brown was charging forward toward the cop?

4 eyewitnesses say he wasn't.

what's the matter, white nationalist? one account from some guy who couldn't see anything in the dark besides colors and "hand motions" was good enough for you before.

why are you not boasting about these four independent eyewitnesses who witnessed everything in the light of day?

seems an especially odd change of standards for you.

 

[desert dude]

Shooting an unarmed man, who is no where near you is self defense?

A person becomes LEO, judge, jury, and executioner when they end someone's life.

You've decided they are a threat, that the threat is worthy of death, and then proceed to kill the person.

How are you not understanding this?

The only question is: was it murder, or was it justifiable homicide? Do you know the answer to that question in this case? I don't.

 

[jahbrudda]

Even if he WAS charging towards him, did the police officer have other non-deadly option at his disposal?

I'll give you a clue.... the answer is yes.

Typical armchair quarterbacking.
A 6'4" 292lb guy charging, you have a split second to make a choice that could save you from great bodily harm or maybe even death. Easy choice when you're sitting behind a computer.

 

[desert dude]

Even if he WAS charging towards him, did the police officer have other non-deadly option at his disposal?

I'll give you a clue.... the answer is yes.

I will accept your clue. Please tell me what the other, non-deadly option was?

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

eye witness testimony is prob. the worst evidence you can have. people's memories of events/people is very relative...

 

[desert dude]

Was Mr Brown shot in the back? One of the eye witnesses said he was.

Was he shot at a distance, or at close range?

 

[UncleBuck]

Was Mr Brown shot in the back? One of the eye witnesses said he was.

citation needed.

 

[UncleBuck]

eye witness testimony is prob. the worst evidence you can have. people's memories of events/people is very relative...

funny, desert dude couldn't shut up about one eyewitness who saw colors and movements in the dark last time.

now, 4 eyewitnesses with the same story in the light of day are completely irrelevant to him.

weird how that works, eh?

 

[jahbrudda]

funny, desert dude couldn't shut up about one eyewitness who saw colors and movements in the dark last time.

now, 4 eyewitnesses with the same story in the light of day are completely irrelevant to him.

weird how that works, eh?

no citation?

 

[UncleBuck]

no citation?

tiffany mitchell
dorian johnson
piaget crenshaw
and londonfog knows the name of the bystander overheard in the video.

 

[NLXSK1]

I agree. I wouldn't have done that, because I'm not a thief or a 'renegade' that feels the need to clash with the police.

I guess that's the real problem I have, I understand their need to protect themselves and others and how the use of deadly force is justified in some situations. What I don't understand is how there is such a broad spectrum of things that constitute the need for deadly force. Either you have to kill someone to stop them from hurting you, or others, or you don't.

Someone who robbed a store by literally pushing a small man out of the way, and was totally unarmed, doesn't warrant deadly force.

IMO, unless you're almost positive that the perp is going to immediately harm someone else, (mass murder, serial killer, etc., etc.,) if they're fleeing and are unarmed, you should try to kill the perp.

And if he had only done that then yes, shooting him would have been total excessive force.

However, he assaulted a police officer, attempted to take his gun and then after a short chase decided to charge the officer. I am choosing to believe Josie's side of the story because cops dont pull people into police cruisers.

Police process 12 million arrests in this country per year. I think that is excessive and the drug war plays way too much into it. However, the police overall are pretty good. There are certainly bad cops and cops out of control. Why havent I seen the video of the cop who lost it and started pointing his rifle at people and telling them he was going to kill them if they didnt get back? Oh yeah, cause he is probably already fired.

I dont fault the police for most of this however. They have to enforce all the laws the legislatures pass and it is more and more each year.

Broken record but we need to eliminate a lot of bullshit legislation. No crime, no criminals, no criminal activity...