Citric Acid and Cannabis Horticulture with Professor Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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Here is the link to my blog, with many more posts. I lost all the formatting with the paste.

http://mattrize.blogspot.com/2010/10/citric-acid-and-cannabis-horticulture.html

"Citric Acid and Cannabis Horticulture:

Citric acid is a weak organic acid, it is a tricarboxylic acid, C6H8O7 . It is a natural preservative and used to make food taste sour, like 'sour patch kids' and soda. In biochemistry, citric acid is important as an intermediate in the citric acid cycle and therefore occurs in the metabolism of virtually all living things.

This post is all about citric acid.. The Cannabis growers of the world use citric acid to lower water pH for container gardens. Cannabis grown in soil-less organics prefers a soil(less) solution around 6.3 pH, and hydro is lower. A neutral water pH is 7.0, and my tap water is usually around 8.0 pH. So WHY do we use citric acid, and not the countless other acids, to lower our pH? The reasons are solid, let's investigate.
We need to begin by defining the important soil science terms that relate to soil-less organics.

Soil:
Layer of unconsolidated material found at the Earth's surface that has been influenced by the soil forming factors: climate, relief, parent material, time, and organisms. Soil normally consists of weathered mineral particles, dead and living organic matter, air space, and the soil solution.

Soil Solution:
Aqueous liquid found within a soil. This liquid normally contains ions released from mineral particles, organic matter or plant roots and leaves.

Soil Colloids:
Very small organic and inorganic particles found in a soil. Inorganic colloids are often clay particles. Soil colloids carry a negative electrical charge and are the primary sites for cation exchange. Soil colloids hold large quantities of elements and compounds which are used by plants for nutrition.

Ions:
An atom, molecule or compound that carries either a positive (cation) or negative (anion) electrical charge.

Cation Exchange Capacity:
The capacity of a soil to exchange cations with the soil solution. Often used as a measure of potential soil fertility.

Okay, now we have learned: what soil is, what a soil solution is, and how soil colloids play a key role in plant nutrition by holding elements and compounds.

BACK TO CITRIC ACID...

Citric acid is valuable as an additive in Cannabis horticulture for these reasons:

A. Citric acid (C6H8O7 ) bonds to Phosphorus anions (P-), making them soluble in the rhizosphere and soil solution.

Phosphorus anions (P-) are not easily mobile in the soil solution. The soil solution is a thin layer of water and microbes surrounding particles in media, soil-less and soil. Phosphorus anions bond with media particles, other elements, and organic matter. When bound P- is made insoluble and unavailable to plants roots. Citric acid bonds with P- and this keeps this needed nutrient in a form available to plant roots.

There are cations in the soil(less) solution. There are also cations in the cation exchange sites of media particles. Together these cations are held in equilibrium, but things can go wrong, especially in an unbalanced soil-less media. Managing this equilibrium is our goal.

By adding citric acid to our water and/or nutrient solution we release (solubilize) the Phosphorus anions. The roots can then use the ions in the soil solution and rhizosphere. The ability of roots to uptake all nutrients is directly dependent on pH of the solution, and the solubility of those nutrients. Citric acid (aka citrate) increases the bio-availability of Phosphorus anions (P-) present in the media.

B. Citric acid plays a role in the Krebs Cycle
Look for a post on this subject soon!

Look for an upcoming post on ROOT EXUDATES! Roots secrete all sorts of weak acids to free up N/P/K, Ca, Fe, and possibly other elements.

Root Exudates: (substances secreted by the roots).
Roots exude large amounts of citric acid into the grow media, this keeps the P- soluble in the rhizosphere and soil solution. This citric acid, and other acid root exudates , mineralize P- from organic matter like soft rock phosphate or bat guano.

Some good reading can be found below. Definitions were adapted from: PhysicalGeography.net.

1. Bioavailability of soil inorganic P in the rhizosphere as affected by root-induced chemical changes: a review
Philippe Hinsinger
Plant and Soil 237: 173–195, 2001.
(full text) http://www.plantstress.com/Articles/min_deficiency_m/P-bioavailability.pdf

2. Effects of root exudates on nutrient availability in the rhizosphere
A. Gransee
Plant Nutrition Developments in Plant and Soil Sciences, 2002, Volume 92, Symposium 9, 626-627,
(abstract only for now) http://www.springerlink.com/content/n216w5006k27754p/

3. Carbonic Acid Decomposition
Richard E. Barrans Jr., Ph.D.
Assistant Director
PG Research Foundation, Darien, Illinois
(full text) http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99661.htm "
 

poindexterous

Active Member
Hey Matt, just searched tricarboxylic acid and found this post. This company up in VT sells a product called "Necessary Plant Energy" http://www.gtghydroponics.com/store/0-0-761.htm and I've wondered if it's citric acid? Ever heard of it? They suggest it be used in equal portions with their nutrient line. They used to call it "tricarboxylic acid" but changed the title. Just been wondering what the heck it is?
 

NightbirdX

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I have been having a few pH issues in a couple plants and am looking for an organic pH up and down. I like the sound of the citric acid bonding with the Phosphorus and making it bioavailable. Where would you pick up the citric acid? When applying would you be adding drops, tsp, TBS?
 

Afka

Active Member
You can buy powdered citric acid in the bakery, or herb section of your supermarket.

I can't imagine how you would figure out how concentrated it is, but you can maybe wing it by diluting it and adding a tiny bit at a time, monitoring acidity with a pH pen.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
You can buy powdered citric acid in the bakery, or herb section of your supermarket.

I can't imagine how you would figure out how concentrated it is, but you can maybe wing it by diluting it and adding a tiny bit at a time, monitoring acidity with a pH pen.
word, good looking out. and it's concentrated just like pH down from earth juice. you should use a pen if you are using pH adjusters.
 

NightbirdX

Well-Known Member
Sorry Matt, I don't mean to sound completely ignorant, but I take it by pen, you mean to dip a pin in the citric acid and apply until your pH is right?
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Sorry Matt, I don't mean to sound completely ignorant, but I take it by pen, you mean to dip a pin in the citric acid and apply until your pH is right?
sorry that must have been confusing. I was trying to say that if you are using pH adjusters you should be using a pH pen. or at least pH paper. Otherwise you are just stabbing in the dark.
 

NightbirdX

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I ended up getting Earth Juice pH up. I was there, it was there, and I really don't have time or energy to run all over town looking for things. I know it sounds lazy, but I assure you I am quite the busy man. I added a 1/2tsp of it to 5ml BioVega, 2.5ml Rhizotonic, 2.5ml Cannazym, 2.5ml GO CaMg+, 5ml Hi Brix Molasses and it brought my pH up to a little lower than 6.5. I use the GH pH drops to check. It can be difficult as the nutrient mix I am using leaves the water a bit yellow/brown, but basically when I first test and put the drops in without the pH up, I am looking at 5ish pH with the red showing as I put drops in and when I add the EJ pH up, I see the greenish color withing darkening the mix to a green color.
 

Wolverine97

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I ended up getting Earth Juice pH up. I was there, it was there, and I really don't have time or energy to run all over town looking for things. I know it sounds lazy, but I assure you I am quite the busy man. I added a 1/2tsp of it to 5ml BioVega, 2.5ml Rhizotonic, 2.5ml Cannazym, 2.5ml GO CaMg+, 5ml Hi Brix Molasses and it brought my pH up to a little lower than 6.5. I use the GH pH drops to check. It can be difficult as the nutrient mix I am using leaves the water a bit yellow/brown, but basically when I first test and put the drops in without the pH up, I am looking at 5ish pH with the red showing as I put drops in and when I add the EJ pH up, I see the greenish color withing darkening the mix to a green color.
Citric acid is a pH down, not up.
 

jnuggs

Well-Known Member
Professor Matt - Appreciate your time posting this. I now am interested in further researching the use of citric acid for the benefit of my soil microbes as well. Once again, thank you, you have reopened my mind.
 

Nuecoyote

Member
I have been told the citric acid does not actually make Phosphorus bioavailable. I am still not sure about that one.
Isn't the whole premise of your initial post that citric acid was making phosphorus available?

I've also seen many who feel that as an anti-biotic citric acid can't be good for the beneficial bacteria in the soil. I'm not sure that's the case though. Unfortunately, I could find no reference to citric acid in "Teaming with Microbes" a highly recommended book for understanding the root zone of plants.

I'm wondering if, since this post questioning whether citric acid is effective in making phosphorus bio-available, you have learned any more or even sorted it out and could reconcile and resolve this to bring some closure to this thread.

Thanks
 
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