Help me Identify problem with plants (photos)

Diabolical666

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ok try this....look down in your soil...grab a little patch of roots way down in there and inspect it for crawlies.
I been using FF soil n nute line for years, this isnt nute issues and it aint micromite issue. I'm stumped
 

jaytea

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ok try this....look down in your soil...grab a little patch of roots way down in there and inspect it for crawlies.
I been using FF soil n nute line for years, this isnt nute issues and it aint micromite issue. I'm stumped
Ok i did that and I did not see anything crawling in my root sample that i pulled up.... Although I did notice when I started digging into the soil with my fingers a a couple of very very tiny little flying black gnat looking things flew away. They were flying so i know they were gnats. I guess I didn't get rid of them as I thought I did. Could that be it?
 

Diabolical666

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It could be. Next watering put 2 tsp of neem in the water (per gallon) and maybe a drop of dish soap to break up the neem a bit (always recommended). that should rid the gnats and it wont hurt your baby. Also I recommend bumping up your ph to 6.5-7 I think you might be blocking out potassium. Potassium, cal and mag are available at 6.5 and greater
p.s the gnats are feeding on your roots, get em gone. GL
 

jaytea

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it's not nute burn. are the leaves dry with good air circulation? GL
Yes the wind is blowing real nice in there . I would say the leaves were too dry at one point so i had to aim my fans away from the plants a little . I will try the neem in the water. Never tried that I only tried spraying with neem , never watered with it. Also will bring PH up a notch and see if that helps ... I will post back here in a few weeks and let everybody know how it worked out.
 

furnz

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Looks like maybe cal mag or phosphorus lockout.
Are you watering till you get runoff?
I would give the next watering half strength of what you've been feeding and add half strength of cal mag. Also I'd make sure to get good run off every time you water when using non organic nutes. At this point your fertilizer in your soil has been used up or leached off by now anyway, so runoff wont be wasting any of your soil nutes.
 

jaytea

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Looks like maybe cal mag or phosphorus lockout.
Are you watering till you get runoff?
I would give the next watering half strength of what you've been feeding and add half strength of cal mag. Also I'd make sure to get good run off every time you water when using non organic nutes. At this point your fertilizer in your soil has been used up or leached off by now anyway, so runoff wont be wasting any of your soil nutes.
yeah i always water until it starts running down from the bottom and fills up the catch tray. Last time I watered was with a flush and no nutes and I ran 3 gallons thru each plant. I'm gonna try to half the nutes. Also it's time for me to switch over to blooming nutes anyway. Also gonna do the neem thing and up my PH... Hope that helps.
 

furnz

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The pot doesn't sit andsoak in the catch tray does it? Or else all the salts that get leached could be wicked up before they evaporate.
 

jaytea

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The pot doesn't sit andsoak in the catch tray does it? Or else all the salts that get leached could be wicked up before they evaporate.
Yeah i have been letting the run off just sit in the tray and evaporate . Maybe I should correct that.
 

Highlanders cave

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no I want you to look for micromites at 60x zoom. Start at the base of the leaf (where the leaf grows out from stem), look at both sides of the leaf, look at the new growth thats garbled looking and the stem close to the base and at random nodes
Me thinks someone is talking about the dreaded borg aka broadmite. They make dealing with spidermites seem like childs play.
 

jpizzle4shizzle

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Same thing happened to me at the same time, i can tell u it wasn't in need of calmag, the calmag made it worsen faster. When's the last time you have phd it? Mine went from perfect to horrible in a week or so, was told that some lime may be of help. Read somewhere whatever is used to buffer the soil runs out around that time, which mixed with feeding and calmag through my ph outta control quickly, hopefully this mystery gets solved cause i looked everywhere seen ppl with the same problem but no definite solution
 

AllenHaze

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It looks like a phosphorous deficiency. It could also be a P lockout antagonized by N abundance and/or nute burn. Have you spilled nutrient solution on your leaves at all? Gnats or pH fluctuation may have caused the leaf deformity. If you're not organic, a quick fix for the gnat larvae is to use some hydrogen peroxide - it will begin to dissolve their bodies on contact. I'd try to bring you're pH up a bit too as someone else mentioned. :joint:
 

jaytea

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It looks like a phosphorous deficiency. It could also be a P lockout antagonized by N abundance and/or nute burn. Have you spilled nutrient solution on your leaves at all? Gnats or pH fluctuation may have caused the leaf deformity. If you're not organic, a quick fix for the gnat larvae is to use some hydrogen peroxide - it will begin to dissolve their bodies on contact. I'd try to bring you're pH up a bit too as someone else mentioned. :joint:
Thanks for your reply , others have said the same . I am growing in soil so i dont think peroxide would be a good idea .
Here is where I am now , I just noticed this morning that the tips on some of my flowering new growth has brown tips I zoomed into it real good to take the photo below. I am now getting worried this is flower growth .. What do you guys think?

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jaytea

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Not too common but it could be a boron deficiency then agian that could be explained too by too much N. What soil are you using if it hasn't already been mentioned? How often do you feed? What nutrients are you using?
Check these out and let us know if they are of any help or if anything sounds familiar. GL. :joint:
I just went to the store and bought 5 gallons of RO water from the Glacier Bay dispenser . gonna flush real good with a little peroxide then let that drip for a few hours and then water with a little neem oil and some blooming nutes... I have not started with the bloom nutes yet. I have been using FF Grow Big veg nutes but havent used it in the last 2 waterings , now I will add half strength Tiger Bloom with some neem and see if that helps. I am also going to poke holes in my container all along the sides to help it breath better.
 

AllenHaze

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I just went to the store and bought 5 gallons of RO water from the Glacier Bay dispenser . gonna flush real good with a little peroxide then let that drip for a few hours and then water with a little neem oil and some blooming nutes... I have not started with the bloom nutes yet. I have been using FF Grow Big veg nutes but havent used it in the last 2 waterings , now I will add half strength Tiger Bloom with some neem and see if that helps. I am also going to poke holes in my container all along the sides to help it breath better.
Nice. Sounds like you have a plan set up. :) Poking holes in the side of the pot is a great way to bring O2 to the root zone - I'd wrap it afterwards with some landscape or geo textile fabric jic because those holes will be like open doors to a motel for the fungus gnats. :leaf:
 

jaytea

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Nice. Sounds like you have a plan set up. :) Poking holes in the side of the pot is a great way to bring O2 to the root zone - I'd wrap it afterwards with some landscape or geo textile fabric jic because those holes will be like open doors to a motel for the fungus gnats. :leaf:
Just finished up , so what I did was I bought 10 gallons of RO water from the store. I took 2 gallons and mixed that with half a bottle of peroxide for each gallon so one bottle total of peroxide (2 plants) , So i poured each peroxide solution a gallon on each plant and let it sit for about 20 minutes , The run off was ph 5.0 ... So then I flushed again with another gallon of RO water per plant to flush out the peroxide and any other crap. I let that sit for 20 minutes . Then I took another 2 gallons per plant with neem oil and half strenght Tiger Bloom and flushed that through , all in my bathtub. The final run off solution was PH 6.6 though the solution before I poured it on the plants was ph 6.8 so it dropped .2 in PH from the solution to the run off. From the first run off being ph 5.0 it was obvious that my ph was low even though I had been PH ing my water at 6.2 all this time . So I think I killed the gnats and got the PH right and I used tiger bloom for the first time so that should help with any phosphorous issues. I also cut off all the old dried up leaves as they were really not serving any purpose. Oh and I also drenched the leaves really well before I flushed with Seltzer water to rinse off any stuff that might be on the leaves. They are under the lights now standing straight up reaching for the lite. I guess they liked what I did. I will let yall know in a week or so if it worked.
 
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