New Wisconsin voter ID Law

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reasonevangelist

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Doer said:
You keeps saying "should." Should is not lawful, just your opinion.
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Only according to your own selective interpretation. "Should" (or perhaps more importantly "shall not") is an important part of the verbiage of the constitution. Try not to misconstrue said verbiage to disparage the intent of the document.
 
Doer

Doer

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reasonevangelist said:
Well, i'm sure we're all very aware of police using intimidation tactics and insisting on punishing people for things that either aren't actually illegal, or should never have been allowed to be criminalized. I'm pretty sure the rules where i live, say that it's illegal to drive without physically possessing your valid license, and/or other documents that are "mandatory" for legally operating a vehicle on public roads; i'm also pretty sure i've seen/heard people get tickets for merely not having their ID on them when encountering a request from a LEO. Make of it what you will.
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Hey Canadian, There is no requirement to have paperwork on you to drive. You can get a fix it ticket and show the license later.

So I have a question. Should this or should that? You are the expert, I guess, on should.
 
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Doer

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reasonevangelist said:
Only according to your own selective interpretation. "Should" (or perhaps more importantly "shall not") is an important part of the verbiage of the constitution. Try not to misconstrue said verbiage to disparage the intent of the document.
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You are not the judge of the Constitution. That is my point. It is obviously way over your head.
 
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reasonevangelist

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Doer said:
You are from Canada? Regions? We don't have regions here as any kind of govt boundary.
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"Region" is an intentionally vague relative term. Regions exist regardless of which country anyone is from, or their present location. Some "regions" span multiple states or even countries, but always have some defining commonality serving as the basis for inclusion in whatever region.

And i'm not sure what term FEMA is using, but there are "regions" or "sectors" already defined, in case of state of emergency... so there's that.
 
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reasonevangelist

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Doer said:
You are not the judge of the Constitution. That is my point. It is obviously way over your head.
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I am the judge of everything i perceive, regardless of whether you or anyone else acknowledges that.

That is my point. It is obviously way over your head. ;)
 
Doer

Doer

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In fact, reason, how about going to the Consitution and searching on all instances of "shall not?"

It is no where near a synonym for "should not."
 
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Doer

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reasonevangelist said:
"Region" is an intentionally vague relative term. Regions exist regardless of which country anyone is from, or their present location. Some "regions" span multiple states or even countries, but always have some defining commonality serving as the basis for inclusion in whatever region.

And i'm not sure what term FEMA is using, but there are "regions" or "sectors" already defined, in case of state of emergency... so there's that.
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There are no legal regions for checking ID.
 
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ChesusRice

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Doer said:
It was about 4 years ago. FL has an auto restore process. When you find your name is not on the list of restricted you check, you just fill out a little form and a letter comes back from the Governors office.

Now, in many states guns and voting are unlinked. I don't have the civvies to own a gun in FL.
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Florida - On Mar. 9, 2011 the Florida rules of Executive Clemency were toughened. Automatic restoration of civil rights and the ability to vote will no longer be granted for any offenses. All individuals convicted of any felony will now have to apply for executive clemency after a five year waiting period. Individuals who are convicted, or who have previously been convicted, of certain felonies such as murder, assault, child abuse, drug trafficking, arson, etc. are subject to a seven year waiting period and a clemency board hearing to determine whether or not the ability to vote will be restored.
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286#florida

NOPE
 
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reasonevangelist

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Bottom line: i believe i am sufficiently capable of correctly interpreting the intent of a document written in my native language, and i am quite certain that this document forbids any government entity from committing injustice against its own populace (though not sure about external populations...).

In order to sufficiently legitimize cannabis prohibition, the aforementioned assertive interpretation must be defeated, in favor of the constitution not protecting my human rights, and not forbidding government entities from committing injustice against us, the populace.

However, if you do indeed manage to make an impenetrable argument in favor of tyrannical selective interpretation of the apparently meaningless (or only selectively meaningful) constitution, i will counter-assert that when any governing body manages to successfully defeat the constitution, this is no longer The United States of America, and so i am not bound by whatever regulations the invading country insists on imposing, regardless of the fact that i know violent consequences will be used against me for noncompliance.
 
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kelly4

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reasonevangelist said:
Well, i'm sure we're all very aware of police using intimidation tactics and insisting on punishing people for things that either aren't actually illegal, or should never have been allowed to be criminalized. I'm pretty sure the rules where i live, say that it's illegal to drive without physically possessing your valid license, and/or other documents that are "mandatory" for legally operating a vehicle on public roads; i'm also pretty sure i've seen/heard people get tickets for merely not having their ID on them when encountering a request from a LEO. Make of it what you will.
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Yes, you are supposed to have your license in your possession while driving.

No, it's not illegal to "be in public without a valid ID" anywhere.
 
Doer

Doer

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reasonevangelist said:
Bottom line: i believe i am sufficiently capable of correctly interpreting the intent of a document written in my native language, and i am quite certain that this document forbids any government entity from committing injustice against its own populace (though not sure about external populations...).

In order to sufficiently legitimize cannabis prohibition, the aforementioned assertive interpretation must be defeated, in favor of the constitution not protecting my human rights, and not forbidding government entities from committing injustice against us, the populace.

However, if you do indeed manage to make an impenetrable argument in favor of tyrannical selective interpretation of the apparently meaningless (or only selectively meaningful) constitution, i will counter-assert that when any governing body manages to successfully defeat the constitution, this is no longer The United States of America, and so i am not bound by whatever regulations the invading country insists on imposing, regardless of the fact that i know violent consequences will be used against me for noncompliance.
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Sure, you are full of opinions. But that is meaningless. Only the Courts add meaning to the laws thru verdicts.
 
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