Kuwait gave almost $4,000 to every citizen in 2011, what were the results?

Padawanbater2

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http://arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/164828/reftab/36/Default.aspx

Summary: Decision is made to give everyone the equivalent of almost half a basic income for a year (possibly more than half with food included). Concerns are raised about inflation and businesses raising their prices. Complaints are made about giving money to people instead of investing in infrastructure.

http://248am.com/mark/kuwait/what-are-you-doing-with-your-kd1000/

Summary: This comment section could exist at the bottom of any article about basic income. Some people are already planning what to spend it on, which includes stuff from iPads to education. Some fear what others will spend it on, like travel instead of local goods and services. Fears of inflation are expressed, as well as opinions that giving money away instead of investing in infrastructure is stupid. Someone claims the money will amount to effectively zero after banks absorb it. Someone wants to refuse the money because it's wrong.

http://www.oxfordbusinessgroup.com/economic_updates/kuwait-keeping

Summary: Instead of rising, inflation dropped. Food prices were worrisome (although greatly affected at this time by global factors http://www.worldbank.org/foodcrisis/foodpricewatch/april_2011.html). Housing cost rises did not accelerate and instead slowed down. GDP growth estimates looked good but not great. Overall, things looked good.

http://www.kuwait.nbk.com/InvestmentAndBrokerage/ResearchandReports/$Document/GCCBriefs/en-gb/MainCopy/$UserFiles/NBKGCCBriefKuwaitmacro201203E.pdf

Summary: GDP was better than expected. Inflation slowed. Consumer spending was strong. With an estimate of 1.7 billion in contribution to GDP, this is 0.6 billion more than the grant cost, reflecting a possible multiplier effect.

http://www.marcopolis.net/economy-of-kuwait-in-2012-growth-diversification-inflation-2806.htm

Summary: Economy still looks good. Inflation not an issue.


TL;DR - Overall Conclusions:

-Kuwait announces plan to give every citizen about $4,000 USD.
-People scream the sky will fall in the form of massive inflation.
-Money and food is distributed.
-Sky actually clears up as inflation goes down.
-Strong consumer spending leads to increased GDP growth.
 

pinkjackyle

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someone claims the banks will absorb the money .

i think this would happen especially in the united states . people are in debt up to their eyeballs and those credit card companys would have a windfall . banks would sit on it or at the very least re loan it at 19% , very few would get the 9% platinum rates . those paying off every month and getting a 0% rate , thats a differant story.
 
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abandonconflict

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How could an economy have ever answered the demands created by the needs of a population any other way? How could people be more productive than to be empowered by liberation from obligatory drudgery?

Sounds like a thriving market.
 

Padawanbater2

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someone claims the banks will absorb the money .

i think this would happen especially in the united states . people are in debt up to their eyeballs and those credit card companys would have a windfall . banks would sit on it or at the very least re loan it at 19% , very few would get the 9% platinum rates . those paying off every month and getting a 0% rate , thats a differant story.
That was one of the initial fears which turned out to be just that
 

Padawanbater2

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How could an economy have ever answered the demands created by the needs of a population any other way? How could people be more productive than to be empowered by liberation from obligatory drudgery?

Sounds like a thriving market.
:GOP talking point: "But if you give people money, they won't have any incentive to actually work!"

...

Apparently giving it to the top 10% is different though... somehow.. "job creators" and what not..
 

ginwilly

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So do you support Bush's policy of giving money directly to the people or Obama's policy of giving money directly to banks? QE3 would have given us 10x what Kuwaitis received.

If you examine the Bush strategy, can anyone claim he was fiscally conservative?
 

ginwilly

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:GOP talking point: "But if you give people money, they won't have any incentive to actually work!"

...

Apparently giving it to the top 10% is different though... somehow.. "job creators" and what not..
Yep, keep supporting quantitative easing and using the stock market as the measuring stick for a healthy economy and watch our wealth disparity continue to increase.
 

Padawanbater2

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I support universal basic income or increasing every full time job to a living wage. Doing either of those two things would boost the economy and relieve some of the pressure on the lower classes

I'm not sure where the stock market came into any of this..
 

Padawanbater2

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kuwait is not america , how much debt on average do we carry as citizens ? house note ,cars , college loan , credit cards ect. i think it would be differant
Do you think someone living paycheck to paycheck is going to worry about their debts before they worry about their next meal for them or their kids?
 

pinkjackyle

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Do you think someone living paycheck to paycheck is going to worry about their debts before they worry about their next meal for them or their kids?
if you are living paycheck to paycheck you have 2 or less of the notes ive described , at least as i vision living paycheck to """"
 

Padawanbater2

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if you are living paycheck to paycheck you have 2 or less of the notes ive described , at least as i vision living paycheck to """"
Not necessarily, someone could have had a good job in 2006, accumulated debt due to school or credit or whatever, then tanked with the economy in 08, still has the debt just with a significantly worse income

Regardless, the OP basically stated the population had all these same fears, the program went through and everything turned out to be way overhyped. The point is, there will always be fear about what to do before we do it, and the solution is not to keep the train rolling down the same tracks as we have been because look around at our economy, what we've been doing hasn't been working. We need a fundamental change in the system based on logic and reason with historical context in mind.
 

pinkjackyle

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Not necessarily, someone could have had a good job in 2006, accumulated debt due to school or credit or whatever, then tanked with the economy in 08, still has the debt just with a significantly worse income

Regardless, the OP basically stated the population had all these same fears, the program went through and everything turned out to be way overhyped. The point is, there will always be fear about what to do before we do it, and the solution is not to keep the train rolling down the same tracks as we have been because look around at our economy, what we've been doing hasn't been working. We need a fundamental change in the system based on logic and reason with historical context in mind.
im only arguing the one point , i would however prefer my 40000$ in my hands . and would pay off all my debts , free and clear . i would then save the rest or go buy a truckboattruck
 

UncleBuck

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Yep, keep supporting quantitative easing and using the stock market as the measuring stick for a healthy economy and watch our wealth disparity continue to increase.
but you argued that trickle down works. now you're contradicting yourself.

too dumb to realize that, or too partisan?
 

ginwilly

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Giving it to the top 10% is simply keeping their end of the bargain. Dems are just as bad.
Comparing stimulus to stimulus, Bush gave money directly to the people, Obama gave money directly to the banks.

One thing most of us will agree on though, the next Sec of Treasury will come from one of the too big to fails, while the last one returns to wall street. It's a revolving door that the partisans cheer, then boo, then cheer, then boo.
 

ginwilly

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but you argued that trickle down works. now you're contradicting yourself.

too dumb to realize that, or too partisan?
Stalker loser boy can't even explain trickle down, so once again, I will ignore any participation of yours in an economic discussion.

How much profit has the federal reserve made off of quantitative easing? How much did they make off of tax cuts?

You are too juvenile to understand economics, yet too dumb to realize it so you continue to embarrass yourself in these threads.
 
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