So what happened with HB4271 and in turn HB5104?
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gladstoned
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Medicated Acres will keep moving in the right direction.
TheMan13
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Both bills have been on the table for years now. I'm sure there were specific and distinct talking points that caused the derailment. I assume the lawyers and lobbyists have spent this weekend explaining what happened to their clients, that's what I'm interested in hearing ...
Skylor
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Well that I got no idea but how it is right now is that dispensaries ARE allowed--they are, Ann Arbor, Detroit, Flint and a handful of other cities allow them to remain open but if they really wanted to, they could be closed down--its not going to happen yet it could happen someday if the people there wanted to get rid of them.
If a bill past that said cities had the right to OK dispensaries, the cities would lose some control over them...they would, IMO. Once the cities said OK, then it be harder to later on say no, we changed our minds. Right now dispensaries are technically illegal, so it be easier to shut them down if the cities really wanted to.
Same with concentrates, some cities allow the dispensaries to sell them, a few don't. I know one dispensary that doesn't and its in mean Oakland county--in fact I'm surprised it remains open but its in Walled Lake and that city always has been the "outlaw" or "outcast" city long before MM happen.
Its about control and right now the cities have lots of control over the sale of MM.
Thats my gut feelings. If somebody does know just what the problems were with the bills, please let us know.
If a bill past that said cities had the right to OK dispensaries, the cities would lose some control over them...they would, IMO. Once the cities said OK, then it be harder to later on say no, we changed our minds. Right now dispensaries are technically illegal, so it be easier to shut them down if the cities really wanted to.
Same with concentrates, some cities allow the dispensaries to sell them, a few don't. I know one dispensary that doesn't and its in mean Oakland county--in fact I'm surprised it remains open but its in Walled Lake and that city always has been the "outlaw" or "outcast" city long before MM happen.
Its about control and right now the cities have lots of control over the sale of MM.
Thats my gut feelings. If somebody does know just what the problems were with the bills, please let us know.
Skylor
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Look how it is with liquor licenses. You got mega party stores and gas stations selling booze. Some stores have invested millions into their businesses and those business could sue the cities if the cites tried to pull their liquor licenses. The stores could say that they should be paid back what they invested in their businesses cause they would not had made those investments if they knew they would not later on be allowed to sell booze.
Skylor
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BTW, the governor always has to make a decision on any bill that is passed by the house and senate yet they hate to veto or approve a bill that later on could come back to make them look bad. Our governor has dreams of someday running for US president--he does. If a bill was passed for dispensaries or concentrates, our governor would either have to veto or sign the bill.
See where I'm headed.....if either bill would had passed, our governor would have to make a stand on that issue and later on it could make him look bad in the public eye. If he signed a bill allowing dispensaries, then he be like for the use and sale of MM--which half the county doesn't approve of. If he veto it, then he be against the use and sale of MM--which half the country is for.
So our governor really doesn't want to have to make that decision and pin himself into a corner on the use and sale of MM. Our governor did not want either bill to be passed so he can remain neutral on the issue of MM....the people of Michigan approved MM, not him, he had no say on the issue.
In fact this might be the number one reason neither bill was passed.
See where I'm headed.....if either bill would had passed, our governor would have to make a stand on that issue and later on it could make him look bad in the public eye. If he signed a bill allowing dispensaries, then he be like for the use and sale of MM--which half the county doesn't approve of. If he veto it, then he be against the use and sale of MM--which half the country is for.
So our governor really doesn't want to have to make that decision and pin himself into a corner on the use and sale of MM. Our governor did not want either bill to be passed so he can remain neutral on the issue of MM....the people of Michigan approved MM, not him, he had no say on the issue.
In fact this might be the number one reason neither bill was passed.
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TheMan13
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It's always been about control brother, and that's why we need to know these negotiations that occurred between the government and the lobbyists (aka those in control) that crashed and burned out of public view and why.
I have my guesses and expressed those concerns concisely earlier on during the deafening silence of this debate. Let's learn something here as we move forward towards recreational, while trying to maintain the integrity/community of the medicinal (under MMMA) that we know today.
I have my guesses and expressed those concerns concisely earlier on during the deafening silence of this debate. Let's learn something here as we move forward towards recreational, while trying to maintain the integrity/community of the medicinal (under MMMA) that we know today.
NurseNancy420
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It was spiked by bill shuettee and mike bouchard. They and every Leo organ blasted the legislature with the same reefer madness fairy tales and the parasites in Lansing caved.
Our rights to grow where getting tossed out so our team pulled all support.
@Skylor? The reason Flint and some others allow stores n such ? The prosecutors.... They are the key
Our rights to grow where getting tossed out so our team pulled all support.
@Skylor? The reason Flint and some others allow stores n such ? The prosecutors.... They are the key
Skylor
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Yeah and every city that has "cool" prosecutors, also have cool voters. Those prosecutors and judges are elected by the people of that area. The only exemption might be Grand Rapids and how many dispensaries are in Grand Rapids, not that many--I think there is a few but I never visited them to see how they are like.
Right now the Grand Rapids prosecutor is trying to overturn the Grand Rapids voter approved recreational, discrimination law that the voters have passed. Its up for appeal right now with a decision due anytime, likely this spring. Whatever the ruling, it will be appealed to the state supreme court.
Right now the Grand Rapids prosecutor is trying to overturn the Grand Rapids voter approved recreational, discrimination law that the voters have passed. Its up for appeal right now with a decision due anytime, likely this spring. Whatever the ruling, it will be appealed to the state supreme court.
TheMan13
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Patients and caregivers really need a consumer protection ageny that keeps us informed and watches out for our true best interests. We really need something to protect us from the exploitation/rhetoric of the criminal law/government on one side and the retail/corporate/law firms on the other. The People provided only patients and caregivers clear rights in a simple document/act, yet seven years in the end of criminal prosecutions and 30$ grams is nowhere in sight. I'm tired of hearing these two sides war it out over their business models/best interests at our expense.
Dr. Bob's lobbied in "bonafide doctor patient relationship" example comes to mind, as it only injures patients and caregivers by increasing criminal convictions and keeping pot docs paid between the 2 year certifications required by law. We really need someone at the table whom truly represents patients and caregivers, and in turn the law/MMMA, rather than these parasitic professionals making a living off of us from the sidelines.
Dr. Bob's lobbied in "bonafide doctor patient relationship" example comes to mind, as it only injures patients and caregivers by increasing criminal convictions and keeping pot docs paid between the 2 year certifications required by law. We really need someone at the table whom truly represents patients and caregivers, and in turn the law/MMMA, rather than these parasitic professionals making a living off of us from the sidelines.
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Skylor
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Our governor gutted the consumer protection agency in order to help big businesses make more money. He got rid of the price scanner law and laws that required prices on the items in the stores...and what did the voters do last month, why they re elected the guy.
We should be counting our blessings for just having MM in Michigan.
If we want to buy MM at a fair price, its road trips to Flint G3C. ...still that sure beats taking a road trip to Colorado like the people in Ohio and many other states have to do and its more costly to buy there if ones not medical.
We should be counting our blessings for just having MM in Michigan.
If we want to buy MM at a fair price, its road trips to Flint G3C. ...still that sure beats taking a road trip to Colorado like the people in Ohio and many other states have to do and its more costly to buy there if ones not medical.
NurseNancy420
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TheMan13
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I'm talking something more along the lines of the Civil Rights divisions found on the state level of the justice department. They would need such powers to push back against law enforcement and the courts exploitation. Section 4 of our law is clearly aimed at them and what they "shall not" do, yet they ignore it simply because they can. That needs to stop before we complicate the law even further with special interests putting more folks in jeopardy. Think of it as publicly retained counsel, as most of us simply cannot afford the other self promoted retail options.
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st0wandgrow
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100%. I'd support that. Individually we are powerless, but if even half of the patients/caregivers joined an advocacy type group we'd finally have a seat at the table.
How could this be accomplished?
Skylor
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Somebody with deep pockets needs to finance it.
If I ever hit the big lotto jackpot, lookout . Expect then I would have to be careful that the law doesn't say I'm financing a criminal enterprise by giving funds to certain groups that in the law eyes are illegal.
This keeping all the dispensaries technically illegal means a lot when it comes to the law. Piss the law off bad enough and they can really run over U.
If I ever hit the big lotto jackpot, lookout . Expect then I would have to be careful that the law doesn't say I'm financing a criminal enterprise by giving funds to certain groups that in the law eyes are illegal.
This keeping all the dispensaries technically illegal means a lot when it comes to the law. Piss the law off bad enough and they can really run over U.