christians against science...but let one get sick

[gorillagrower0840]

No I'm not angry, you sound angry though. And you keep bringing up the fact that most people of faith are well educated, nice, and decent people like nobody realizes that. That's besides the point. Thanks for being Captain Obvious. The point is what they believe in is illogical and silly. And it does no good for anyone to believe that stuff, it actually has more of an opportunity to bring humanity down or slow its progress than improve it or speed up progress.

Yes of course there are hospitals run by religious organizations, once again an obvious point. Since religion is so popular and widespread, it's no wonder that religious organizations run many hospitals. It's bound to happen by the shear number of religious participants. And I'm sure there's more than just hospitals they run too, probably many other types of institutions as well. And I'm not saying there's something wrong with that. But they use raw science and realistic thinking to do that research. I know they aren't just gonna sit around and pray for new medical cures to happen, because that wouldn't work.

Do you know about all the things that are run by people who are not associated with any type of religion/faith?

How about the National Academy of Sciences, one of the most elite scientific organizations in the U.S.A. and the world for that matter. 93% of its members are non-religious, have no faith, don't believe in a god or gods, are atheist, etc...

What I say is outdated and ignorant huh? What you believe in is outdated and ignorant. You believe in imaginary characters and a 2000 year old illogical fairy tale story and that ignores reality and ignores all the countless contradictions that science and knowledge has brought forth against your belief system. Your 2000 year old story was created by people who lived 2000 years ago to control people who lived 2000 years ago and give them a story to look up to that attempts to answer questions about people's origins that everyone has and also to get them to behave. It was designed to give them a bribe (heaven) to look forward to and a threat (hell) to try to avoid by being a good boy or girl. And the story made them feel good inside and give them hope from the shitty lives people lived in those times, they were desperate so of course many would follow it.

But today is different, we have all the science and knowledge and technology and easier way of life than they did back then. We have knowledge right at our fingertips that people 2000 years ago only wished they could have. And with that knowledge and understanding of nature, it becomes more and more apparent of how unnecessary and foolish it is to have to believe in mythical beings.

I wish nobody any harm. I am kind to people around me. I'd like to everybody to get along. I don't just go around being a jerk to people. What kind of dumbass lowlife does that?

What do you do for people around you that is so great that I don't do? I mean, I do what most other people do. I just live life, try to enjoy it, try to have some good experiences, and try to be a decent person.

And so what if I do nothing to help others around me as long I'm not doing any type of harm to anyone? What's wrong with that? I didn't know there was something wrong with trying to do good for yourself and worrying about yourself. That wouldn't make anyone a bad person.

And who am I knocking? I just like to speak the truth is all. I don't need to keep my mouth shut and neither does anyone else about this matter. Knowledge and the spreading of knowledge is a good thing. An important thing. It can only do good.

 

[UncleReemis]

What a stupid thread.

So what you're implying is that "Christians" (the type you're rambling about) have no right to healthcare because their philosophical beliefs regarding what we are and where we came from contradict the scientific method vaguely (since you didn't bother to be specific)?

You seem like an angry, resentful, disrespectful half-minded nitwit.

so the words "Oh my God" should never enter your mind and leave your mouth, since those three words themselves take ownership of a God, the same one you're indirectly mocking as nonexistent and arbitrary. Does that sound difficult for you? I mean, if you can't refrain from taking ownership by saying those three words, how are "Christians" supposed to refrain from associating with scientific discoveries for the benefit of healthcare which we all need from time to time?

So all of the proclaimed atheists who run around spreading resent and hatred, then end up posting on social media or speaking words similar to "please keep my mom in your prayers, she's been in a horrible auto accident," should be ridiculed and used as the subject of a thread on RIU? Why no, of course not. Right

Do yourself a favor and quit being vindictive and disrespectful.

P.s. I'm sorry your daddy's pastor railed you

 

[gorillagrower0840]

progression towards what tho brother

I don't know. What have we been progressing towards so far?

I think there are many aspects to it. But off the top of my head I would have to say just simply the ultimate understanding of nature and the universe, and improving people's lives, improving how people live, their way of life, improving society and the world, making the world a better place. Enlightenment. Intelligence. Understanding. Control. Joy. I guess.

I would say the human race has progressed pretty far. From our humble beginnings as hunter gatherers getting by just to survive to today where survival is not much of a worry anymore, and we have all these modern conveniences that make life easier and better (like grocery stores), I would say we've come a long way. And religion hasn't contributed to it, it has just clouded the path towards it.

 

[thepenofareadywriter]

What a stupid thread.

So what you're implying is that "Christians" (the type you're rambling about) have no right to healthcare because their philosophical beliefs regarding what we are and where we came from contradict the scientific method vaguely (since you didn't bother to be specific)?

You seem like an angry, resentful, disrespectful half-minded nitwit.

so the words "Oh my God" should never enter your mind and leave your mouth, since those three words themselves take ownership of a God, the same one you're indirectly mocking as nonexistent and arbitrary. Does that sound difficult for you? I mean, if you can't refrain from taking ownership by saying those three words, how are "Christians" supposed to refrain from associating with scientific discoveries for the benefit of healthcare which we all need from time to time?

So all of the proclaimed atheists who run around spreading resent and hatred, then end up posting on social media or speaking words similar to "please keep my mom in your prayers, she's been in a horrible auto accident," should be ridiculed and used as the subject of a thread on RIU? Why no, of course not. Right

Do yourself a favor and quit being vindictive and disrespectful.

P.s. I'm sorry your daddy's pastor railed you

there is no god
Mat 10:8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Mar 3:15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Luk 5:17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
Luk 10:9And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 10:8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. and if any of these scriptures were fact you would have no need of a doctor...oh yea... ps...nitwit

 

[UncleReemis]

there is no god
Mat 10:8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Mar 3:15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Luk 5:17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
Luk 10:9And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 10:8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. and if any of these scriptures were fact you would have no need of a doctor...oh yea... ps...nitwit

Virtually all of that is taken out of context in a manner to spite some argument you think I am making. I'm arguing that your original post is stupid, not whether God exists or not.

 

[whitebb2727]

You do have the power to heal.
Make some one laugh. Hug them. Help them in need.

Science has shown the brain is hard wired to believe in a higher power even in superstitions.

I keep saying that alot of Christians are educated for a reason.

Thousands have weighed your argument and disagree.

 

[reddan1981]

we are progressing towards destruction. We have clean energies, but it is chosen to rape our earth of minerals to supply our ever increasing need for gadgets to make our life easier. Still my first request hasn't been answered, I know why. It is scientific belief that suggests particles do not originate from our "frequency" of reality. If you really delve into quantum mechanics ( I have, superficially) all the fairy tale accounts about good and evil become a lot more plausible.

 

[reddan1981]

Anyone using the inaccuracies of biblical text to refute the existence of a creator is being either knowingly or unknowingly ignorant. Bibles are written to deceive and carry the agenda of the editor. As are some scientific theories currently floating about. Religious practices have been developed by control seeking individuals and used to separate us from one another, these teachings are clearly contradictory, so then as well as achieving their intended directive (confuse control and pacifying effect) the inaccuracies can be manipulated to help with political agendas ie; depopulation, rearrangement of our sheep pens.
This doesn't verify the non existence of god

 

[eye exaggerate]

I wish these threads would stop.

For the most part the ones that keep saying this are ignorant.

Most Christians believe in science and even that the earth is millions of years old. There are a few denominations that believe and teach creationism.

Christian and religious organizations build and run some of the best hospitals in the US.


With the exception of evolution. All Christians do not believe in that.

Biological evolution could very well mirror another evolution. Consciousness evolves over time, also. I grabbed that from the fact bank.

No I'm not angry, you sound angry though. And you keep bringing up the fact that most people of faith are well educated, nice, and decent people like nobody realizes that. That's besides the point. Thanks for being Captain Obvious. The point is what they believe in is illogical and silly. And it does no good for anyone to believe that stuff, it actually has more of an opportunity to bring humanity down or slow its progress than improve it or speed up progress.

Yes of course there are hospitals run by religious organizations, once again an obvious point. Since religion is so popular and widespread, it's no wonder that religious organizations run many hospitals. It's bound to happen by the shear number of religious participants. And I'm sure there's more than just hospitals they run too, probably many other types of institutions as well. And I'm not saying there's something wrong with that. But they use raw science and realistic thinking to do that research. I know they aren't just gonna sit around and pray for new medical cures to happen, because that wouldn't work.

Do you know about all the things that are run by people who are not associated with any type of religion/faith?

How about the National Academy of Sciences, one of the most elite scientific organizations in the U.S.A. and the world for that matter. 93% of its members are non-religious, have no faith, don't believe in a god or gods, are atheist, etc...

What I say is outdated and ignorant huh? What you believe in is outdated and ignorant. You believe in imaginary characters and a 2000 year old illogical fairy tale story and that ignores reality and ignores all the countless contradictions that science and knowledge has brought forth against your belief system. Your 2000 year old story was created by people who lived 2000 years ago to control people who lived 2000 years ago and give them a story to look up to that attempts to answer questions about people's origins that everyone has and also to get them to behave. It was designed to give them a bribe (heaven) to look forward to and a threat (hell) to try to avoid by being a good boy or girl. And the story made them feel good inside and give them hope from the shitty lives people lived in those times, they were desperate so of course many would follow it.

But today is different, we have all the science and knowledge and technology and easier way of life than they did back then. We have knowledge right at our fingertips that people 2000 years ago only wished they could have. And with that knowledge and understanding of nature, it becomes more and more apparent of how unnecessary and foolish it is to have to believe in mythical beings.

I wish nobody any harm. I am kind to people around me. I'd like to everybody to get along. I don't just go around being a jerk to people. What kind of dumbass lowlife does that?

What do you do for people around you that is so great that I don't do? I mean, I do what most other people do. I just live life, try to enjoy it, try to have some good experiences, and try to be a decent person.

And so what if I do nothing to help others around me as long I'm not doing any type of harm to anyone? What's wrong with that? I didn't know there was something wrong with trying to do good for yourself and worrying about yourself. That wouldn't make anyone a bad person.

And who am I knocking? I just like to speak the truth is all. I don't need to keep my mouth shut and neither does anyone else about this matter. Knowledge and the spreading of knowledge is a good thing. An important thing. It can only do good.

Yes, and, no. Care to discuss?

 

[eye exaggerate]

I haven't been here in a while and the 'new' board seems to hold on to multi-quotes for a while. If the whitebb2727 quote doesn't fit, well, that's not my fault

 

[thepenofareadywriter]

Virtually all of that is taken out of context in a manner to spite some argument you think I am making. I'm arguing that your original post is stupid, not whether God exists or not.

this is your last snack... "Do not feed the trolls!" The 2013 study found that trolls often have ...

 

[thepenofareadywriter]

Anyone using the inaccuracies of biblical text to refute the existence of a creator is being either knowingly or unknowingly ignorant. Bibles are written to deceive and carry the agenda of the editor. As are some scientific theories currently floating about. Religious practices have been developed by control seeking individuals and used to separate us from one another, these teachings are clearly contradictory, so then as well as achieving their intended directive (confuse control and pacifying effect) the inaccuracies can be manipulated to help with political agendas ie; depopulation, rearrangement of our sheep pens.
This doesn't verify the non existence of god

what does verify the non existence of a god is the book and the experience in other words the following of the book to a tee

 

[reddan1981]

what does verify the non existence of a god is the book and the experience in other words the following of the book to a tee

How so?

 

[reddan1981]

Did you know... When you are smelling smells, you are hearing the vibration of its particles with your nose and our brain perceives and interprets it as smell. Whether you like or dislike the perceived smell is dependent on the shape of your receptor and joining particles. When they join they vibrate a specific tone if this tone is within your desired band of spectrum you like the smell

 

[whitebb2727]

Did you know... When you are smelling smells, you are hearing the vibration of its particles with your nose and our brain perceives and interprets it as smell. Whether you like or dislike the perceived smell is dependent on the shape of your receptor and joining particles. When they join they vibrate a specific tone if this tone is within your desired band of spectrum you like the smell

What shape makes you like foul smells.

I love the smell of a bloated skunk someone has run over and popped.

Oh and its hard as hell to wash that smell off if your the one who hit it.

 

[reddan1981]

It is scientifically understood that there are NO solid objects in existence. Every thing vibrates. Now I know all of you who lack faith will struggle to get on with this one scientific principle, let alone dark matter. When your scientific belief is at a basic level of understanding, investigate Tavistock institute of human resources to understand how much control is being applied to us you might end up questioning your own belief.

 

[gorillagrower0840]

It is scientifically understood that there are NO solid objects in existence. Every thing vibrates. Now I know all of you who lack faith will struggle to get on with this one scientific principle, let alone dark matter. When your scientific belief is at a basic level of understanding, investigate Tavistock institute of human resources to understand how much control is being applied to us you might end up questioning your own belief.

Dude, I'm not trying to be a dick, but you keep explaining scientific things that I (and probably lots of other people ) already know about. That's cool that you've done deep investigation into the science, but it still doesn't make god seem any more real honestly. In fact to me, it just makes the existence of a god seem less and less plausible the more I study and try to understand the universe.

Speaking of quantum mechanics, do you know about the famous Double Slit Experiment?

Do you know of the Higgs Boson particle?

Do you know why scientists have even put forth the idea of the existence of so called "dark matter"?

 

[UncleReemis]

this is your last snack... "Do not feed the trolls!" The 2013 study found that trolls often have ...

Well as long as you understand that your op is stupid, we're done here

 

[reddan1981]

my understanding is basic but with no big headedness intended, yes. That I understand most of these concepts or at least cut and paste a thorough enough retort shows nothing. But that I understand there are many things in life we don't know, the possibilities that might be, this let's me understand nothing is beyond question.

 

[Red1966]

I don't know. What have we been progressing towards so far?

I think there are many aspects to it. But off the top of my head I would have to say just simply the ultimate understanding of nature and the universe, and improving people's lives, improving how people live, their way of life, improving society and the world, making the world a better place. Enlightenment. Intelligence. Understanding. Control. Joy. I guess.

I would say the human race has progressed pretty far. From our humble beginnings as hunter gatherers getting by just to survive to today where survival is not much of a worry anymore, and we have all these modern conveniences that make life easier and better (like grocery stores), I would say we've come a long way. And religion hasn't contributed to it, it has just clouded the path towards it.

Without religion, we have no moral authority.