War in Yugoslavia : lessons for today

[heckler73]

What was the reason (or reasons) for the outbreak of war in the former Yugoslavia? The history is so muddled by differing perspectives, it doesn't seem like there was any one definitive reason.

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[theexpress]

What was the reason (or reasons) for the outbreak of war in the former Yugoslavia? The history is so muddled by differing perspectives, it doesn't seem like there was any one definitive reason.

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independence from belgrade

 

[heckler73]

independence from belgrade

If only it were that simple.

There were 6 republics, and within those there were fractures, still.
It seemed far more complicated than that. Everyone wanted "independence".
Meanwhile, "history" seems to blame Milosevic's "Nationalism" as being the cause. Yet, what is the foundational history? Battle of Kosovo against the Muslims in 1389?

It does appear the Serbs were the biggest shit-disturbers, though, and my memory of that time is the same. But that's where things become muddled. The general of the Bosnian Serbs (Mladic?) had a bit of blood-lust and a hard-on for "combat victory". Perhaps he was the key problem that caused it all to drag on?

However, what started as a Nationalist campaign quickly devolved into ancient hatreds. Milosevic tried to blame the Slovenes in his version. Yet, on the outside, based on propaganda, his "we will not be beaten again" comment seems to be the spark of crisis, after Serbs tried to fake their oppression at the hands of Albanians.

 

[theexpress]

If only it were that simple.

There were 6 republics, and within those there were fractures, still.
It seemed far more complicated than that. Everyone wanted "independence".
Meanwhile, "history" seems to blame Milosevic's "Nationalism" as being the cause. Yet, what is the foundational history? Battle of Kosovo against the Muslims in 1389?

It does appear the Serbs were the biggest shit-disturbers, though, and my memory of that time is the same. But that's where things become muddled. The general of the Bosnian Serbs (Mladic?) had a bit of blood-lust and a hard-on for "combat victory". Perhaps he was the key problem that caused it all to drag on?

However, what started as a Nationalist campaign quickly devolved into ancient hatreds. Milosevic tried to blame the Slovenes in his version. Yet, on the outside, based on propaganda, his "we will not be beaten again" comment seems to be the spark of crisis, after Serbs tried to fake their oppression at the hands of Albanians.

it is that simple how the fuck is the minority of a country gonna tell the majority what to do how to live ect. you were talking about that great battle against the ottoman s the same one the serbian cowards ran from fuck serbia fuck milosevich and fuck tito

 

[heckler73]

it is that simple how the fuck is the minority of a country gonna tell the majority what to do how to live ect. you were talking about that great battle against the ottoman s the same one the derboan cowards ran from fuck serbia fuck nilosevich and fuck tito

While the impetus may have been "simple", the development and subsequent battles could hardly be considered a matter of mere independence from Belgrade. There were deeper tensions of ethnicity involved, otherwise Bosnia wouldn't have been such a clusterfuck. Granted, regardless of the finer details, the Serbs were the principle "flame stokers" in most (all?) cases.

Did you not claim Albanian heritage earlier? So your perspective would've been shaped by activities in Montenegro mostly, no?

 

[theexpress]

While the impetus may have been "simple", the development and subsequent battles could hardly be considered a matter of mere independence from Belgrade. There were deeper tensions of ethnicity involved, otherwise Bosnia wouldn't have been such a clusterfuck. Granted, regardless of the finer details, the Serbs were the principle "flame stokers" in most (all?) cases.

Did you not claim Albanian heritage earlier? So your perspective would've been shaped by activities in Montenegro mostly, no?

nope not just montenagro.... I see the full spectrum.. also what do you think was the end goal of all the former nations of the former Yugoslavia??? INDEPENDENCE!!!!

 

[theexpress]

also what do you mean by clusterfuck??

 

[FrostyPelican]

Nationalism, past history, culture, ethnicity, religion... the list goes on and on, each side blames the other.

I personally feel that Serbs (not all of course) are blood thirsty, violent, ultra-nationalist and they are responsible for the Balkan conflict.

 

[theexpress]

Nationalism, past history, culture, ethnicity, religion... the list goes on and on, each side blames the other.

I personally feel that Serbs (not all of course) are blood thirsty, violent, ultra-nationalist and they are responsible for the Balkan conflict.

theres a reason all the former countries of Yugo are doing better then Serbia.. Serbia is being punished... they are the poorest country in euastern Europe.. if not all of europe

 

[heckler73]

also what do you mean by clusterfuck??

Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Albanians... That was the Bosnian clusterfuck.

As I have been digging further, I've been finding this guy was another key figure in the "problem".

Do you recognize him? He's a real douchebag. His paramilitary assholes were even bold enough to flash the three-finger gesture of the Nazis.

 

[Milovan]

Nationalism, past history, culture, ethnicity, religion... the list goes on and on, each side blames the other.

I personally feel that Serbs (not all of course) are blood thirsty, violent, ultra-nationalist and they are responsible for the Balkan conflict.

Yes I'm blood thirsty and a ultra nationalist and I am responsible for conflict.
I'm Serbian born in Belgrade and you have your facts wrong lol.




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[theexpress]

Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Albanians... That was the Bosnian clusterfuck.

As I have been digging further, I've been finding this guy was another key figure in the "problem".

Do you recognize him? He's a real douchebag. His paramilitary assholes were even bold enough to flash the three-finger gesture of the Nazis.

seems you have a lot more questions then facts lol... I donno who that dude is if I had to guess id say its a chetnik

 

[Milovan]

theres a reason all the former countries of Yugo are doing better then Serbia.. Serbia is being punished... they are the poorest country in euastern Europe.. if not all of europe

Very wrong. Belgrade is the party capitol of all Europe featured in Cali MMJ mag and travel shows.
Far from poor! Rich in so many countless ways. There is no punishment of any kind.

 

[Milovan]

Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Albanians... That was the Bosnian clusterfuck.

As I have been digging further, I've been finding this guy was another key figure in the "problem".

Do you recognize him? He's a real douchebag. His paramilitary assholes were even bold enough to flash the three-finger gesture of the Nazis.

Yes a big problem for the Serbs brought on by the "others".

 

[theexpress]

Very wrong. Belgrade is the party capitol of all Europe featured in Cali MMJ mag and travel shows.
Far from poor! Rich in so many countless ways. There is no punishment of any kind.

lol@far from poor... recognize and respect kosovos independence and maybe the rest of Europe will let u guys join the e.u. and shit will get better for u... its not like you guys have the tourist beaches of Albania and montenago or the heroin market cornerd like Kosovo and arms trade... there suffering in Serbia.. living off bread and peppers like the Albanians and others they oppressed for too long...

 

[Milovan]

I'm a full Serb and I grew up with Hendrix, Presley, quaaludes ,shrooms, killer pot, NFL,
countless concerts (100's) and I have pix of me with the greatest music stars in history and all the great things in America but I want war death and destruction lol Too fricken funny. Oh yeah I and my siblings grew up with hippys starting at a very young age
and am all about love and peace at all costs. Most people have no idea what most Serbs are really about.
They just blame and point blindly lol. Serbs are about love health partying music big time and fun with no conflict unless someone
starts some shit.

 

[theexpress]

I'm a full Serb and I grew up with Hendrix, Presley, quaaludes ,shrooms, killer pot, NFL,
countless concerts (100's) and I have pix of me with the greatest music stars in history and all the great things in America but I want war death and destruction lol Too fricken funny. Oh yeah I and my siblings grew up with hippys starting at a very young age
and am all about love and peace at all costs. Most people have no idea what most Serbs are really about.
They just blame and point blindly lol. Serbs are about love health partying music big time and fun with no conflict unless someone
starts some shit.

I know what you guys are about... oppression..... ethnic cleansing..... killing women and children... ect.

 

[theexpress]

its cool ur American though.. im American to I was born here.. my cuzzin is even half Serbian.. shit two of my other cuzzins part Mexican... your people are bogus though.. pack up ur shit and move back to Russia.. no one wants yall in the Balkans...

 

[Milovan]

lol@far from poor... recognize and respect kosovos independence and maybe the rest of Europe will let u guys join the e.u. and shit will get better for u... its not like you guys have the tourist beaches of Albania and montenago or the heroin market cornerd like Kosovo and arms trade... there suffering in Serbia.. living off bread and peppers like the Albanians and others they oppressed for too long...

Every word you said is 100% incorrect. Serbia is very rich in many ways and we eat like Kings btw.
The food is increadable and always been I know I'm Serbian so you heard it straight from
the horses mouth. Great food , parties and all is fun always nowadays and many in the past.
Great place to visit for more fun and love then one can handle.

 

[Milovan]

I know what you guys are about... oppression..... ethnic cleansing..... killing women and children... ect.

Your very confused and ill informed to the hilt.
Calm down and love your neighbor. Not healthy to have so much hate in your heart.