Noobie In Need Of Serious Help !! (Topping Gone Wrong)

Deadlytalon2014

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Ohh and another tip, Always have some sort of air being generated on the plant, Increasing it of course as the plant gets bigger, The reason for this, is the fan stimulates wind, and if there is no wind on the plants, the stems will grow weak and brittle, by placing a fan on it, it forces the stems to grow strong and more durable "You don't want flabby stems with big buds they can't support"
 

BigEasy1

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If you do it right and learn enough you can do it, I'm on my first grow, and I have LST / Topped, I have 4 Tops going "Didn't go further because I am new though." But my first run I am using Bag seed so I can experiment and not be too upset if I don't get major yields.
Yea, I guess it's more about what your goal is. I'm a personal stash guy so getting 4 or 5 oz's off a plant without using any advanced techniques keeps me flush.
 

Doer

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thanks for your reply, but i haven't added any nutes to my water solution only thing I've done was use a strong pesticide after spotting webs from spider mites
First off, thanks for getting me over from the Alien Tech Sector. :)

-your tap water? What is the PPM of your tap water? When I had problems like this I called the City and found I had 400 ppm tap water. Too much! Start with distilled water and add 1/5 the recommended of Clonex or another starter food. That should bring you to about 200 ppm.
My rule of thumb is +100 ppm feed for every 6 inches of growth. This is how you can feed a 4 foot plant, at 800 ppm without any problems. You can go even more than that after you know what you are doing. You NEED a PPM meter. But, once you understand the pH effects of the feed in your water, you can just add a pH balance without measuring pH very often. I wasted so much money on pH measurement equipment.

The best topping I think, is FIM. " F**K! I missed." :) See how he is cutting through the middle of the lower mass?

 

Doer

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Ohh and another tip, Always have some sort of air being generated on the plant, Increasing it of course as the plant gets bigger, The reason for this, is the fan stimulates wind, and if there is no wind on the plants, the stems will grow weak and brittle, by placing a fan on it, it forces the stems to grow strong and more durable "You don't want flabby stems with big buds they can't support"
Ah, great idea, and that is but one reason. The main reason is the plant feeds on CO2 and will deplete that around each leaf very quickly in still air. Another reason is heat distribution and exhaust of heat.

But, in my experience, ganja needs supplement of 3 elements. If you add these, then even Miracle Grow will work.

- Silica for strong stalk to develop weighty buds Sold as Silica Blast, (least disturbance of pH)
- Calcium and Magnesium sold together as Cal-Mag
 

Yungkha

New Member
Ohh and another tip, Always have some sort of air being generated on the plant, Increasing it of course as the plant gets bigger, The reason for this, is the fan stimulates wind, and if there is no wind on the plants, the stems will grow weak and brittle, by placing a fan on it, it forces the stems to grow strong and more durable "You don't want flabby stems with big buds they can't support"
First off, thanks for getting me over from the Alien Tech Sector. :)

-your tap water? What is the PPM of your tap water? When I had problems like this I called the City and found I had 400 ppm tap water. Too much! Start with distilled water and add 1/5 the recommended of Clonex or another starter food. That should bring you to about 200 ppm.
My rule of thumb is +100 ppm feed for every 6 inches of growth. This is how you can feed a 4 foot plant, at 800 ppm without any problems. You can go even more than that after you know what you are doing. You NEED a PPM meter. But, once you understand the pH effects of the feed in your water, you can just add a pH balance without measuring pH very often. I wasted so much money on pH measurement equipment.

The best topping I think, is FIM. " F**K! I missed." :) See how he is cutting through the middle of the lower mass?
thanks you all, this is all helpful, unfortunately i think my plants are coming to a short life in veg stage. i am starting from seed all over again. i literally birthed and killed about 50 plants so far without success from trying too risky methods with out taking time i have learn through my short experience that growing cannabis takes much patience it isn't as quick as calling my weed man up for a couple grams when i need it. so i will post in a few weeks when I'm back to vegging :) wish me luck this time and i will post question before taking risky precautions
 

Deadlytalon2014

Active Member
thanks you all, this is all helpful, unfortunately i think my plants are coming to a short life in veg stage. i am starting from seed all over again. i literally birthed and killed about 50 plants so far without success from trying too risky methods with out taking time i have learn through my short experience that growing cannabis takes much patience it isn't as quick as calling my weed man up for a couple grams when i need it. so i will post in a few weeks when I'm back to vegging :) wish me luck this time and i will post question before taking risky precautions
I started with 4 plants, I currently have 2 alive, the 2 that are dead is because the where males, just do the proper research and you will be fine
 

Doer

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thanks you all, this is all helpful, unfortunately i think my plants are coming to a short life in veg stage. i am starting from seed all over again. i literally birthed and killed about 50 plants so far without success from trying too risky methods with out taking time i have learn through my short experience that growing cannabis takes much patience it isn't as quick as calling my weed man up for a couple grams when i need it. so i will post in a few weeks when I'm back to vegging :) wish me luck this time and i will post question before taking risky precautions
Get roots and never drown them. May the Force be with you.
 

Moebius

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Ohh and another tip, Always have some sort of air being generated on the plant, Increasing it of course as the plant gets bigger, The reason for this, is the fan stimulates wind, and if there is no wind on the plants, the stems will grow weak and brittle, by placing a fan on it, it forces the stems to grow strong and more durable "You don't want flabby stems with big buds they can't support"
That .... and because most of a plants mass comes from the air. The cannabis literally uses the carbon in the air as raw material to build itself.

EDIT: Oh, I see 'Doer' just said this.

Ah, great idea, and that is but one reason. The main reason is the plant feeds on CO2 and will deplete that around each leaf very quickly in still air. Another reason is heat distribution and exhaust of heat.

But, in my experience, ganja needs supplement of 3 elements. If you add these, then even Miracle Grow will work.

- Silica for strong stalk to develop weighty buds Sold as Silica Blast, (least disturbance of pH)
- Calcium and Magnesium sold together as Cal-Mag
 

Bakatare666

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Yea, I guess it's more about what your goal is. I'm a personal stash guy so getting 4 or 5 oz's off a plant without using any advanced techniques keeps me flush.
I got a bean from a good friend last year, and ended up with over 4 1/4 oz. from that one plant under just 300+w of CFL's, so it CAN be done.
 

Doer

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It is all about how long you can veg vs how much light. How long did you veg??
A 10 foot plant, 10 feet wide can yield 10 pounds, in a season of sunlight. That is the potential.

Our indoor mileage will vary.
 

skunkd0c

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They do not look too bad
but you are spraying them and most likely watering the soil too, they are drowning if you carry on they will most likely turn yellow from over watering
topping will not harm the plant in anyway

they have some burning at the tips this could be from the water droplets + light causing burning
or perhaps the soil is not suitable, you said you have no feed them any nutes yet
the soil looks clumpy too, needs more aeration, add more perlite

good luck
 

Bakatare666

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It is all about how long you can veg vs how much light. How long did you veg??
A 10 foot plant, 10 feet wide can yield 10 pounds, in a season of sunlight. That is the potential.

Our indoor mileage will vary.
That one, I only vegged for 30 days, at 18/6 under mixed 5000k and 2700k CFL's, after realizing my previous grow that the ones I did for 45 days and 60 days did not seem to produce a noticeable amount more than the 30 day plant, but another thing to consider, is I almost NEVER do more than one plant of the same strain, so that could be it too.
I'm more of a 'seat of the pants' guy.
I wait and let my plants tell me when they are thirsty and hungry.........
NOT by the calendar.
 

Doer

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Oh I go by a calendar since the Plant does also. She is on the clock. She wants 2 - 6 inches of growth/WEEK. Using 250 clf, In 8 weeks I can get a 4 - 6 ft plant according to the container size.....a 2.5 gal rose pot or a 5 gal bucket. And it is all about the roots in the first 2 weeks for me. No roots, no buds. Stunted roots, stunted buds.

I have been through the yield curves by experiment and found what works for me, to have year around THC.

I top feed, to drip back to the re-circulating reservoir, every day.
I start 2 clones every month.
I get 4 oz of produce out the other side every month.

The longer you veg the more bud you get. So, you have to plot your plan and then plan your pot plot. :)

A 10x10x10 foot ganga tree will take the entire outdoor season, to create 10 pounds of produce. It will take a lot of trimming and care. It can all get lost at the end, by disease, teenagers or storm.
 

Deadlytalon2014

Active Member
I used to top my plants......... Hand on heart there is no fucking point
Actually, if you do it right, there is big points, it creates new tops, it is actually quite effect depending on the grower as well though, space, and light, For instance, Topping responds well to users growing with CFL's, they can create multiple tops and trim the underbrush, and still get awesome yields. Although if I had a 600w + HPS, I don't see an overall need to top, Rather I would scrog or something of that effect personally.
 
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