Net Neutrality... No, really it will be faster and cheaper... Says the government.

[UncleBuck]

My radiologist has faster speeds for viewing data across town because he pays more than I do! That's not fair!

wow, way to misunderstand the issue.

you are on a fucking roll today.

have a meltdown.

 

[UncleBuck]

The problem is not at the consumer level. The problem is that the ISPs charge companies like Netflix an exorbitant fee for bandwidth in order to make content available to consumers.

and netflix had to cave in to comcast because they were losing customers.

but ginwilly will refuse to understand what the issue is so that he can keep spamming rawn pawl talking points here.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

The problem is not at the consumer level. The problem is that the ISPs charge companies like Netflix an exorbitant fee for bandwidth in order to make content available to consumers.

Spot on.

Consumer side won't change much, it is all server side, all internal business between ISPs and businesses, ALL businesses that have a web presence.

 

[ttystikk]

Nope, I'm suggesting we treat cable companies the way we treated Ma Bell in the 80's and open the barriers to competition.

Comcast (and charter) get away with shitty service because they are protected to be the only game in town.

The utility would be the communications lines and I agree that the use of those lines should be open to competition. This is not addressed by today's announcement.

 

[ginwilly]

The utility would be the communications lines and I agree that the use of those lines should be open to competition. This is not addressed by today's announcement.

You can't lay lines on my property and declare no-one else can use them while you use satellites that someone else put up there. It just shouldn't work that way.

 

[ttystikk]

You can't lay lines on my property and declare no-one else can use them while you use satellites that someone else put up there. It just shouldn't work that way.

This is clear evidence that you simply don't understand the situation our the issues at hand.

 

[UncleBuck]

This is clear evidence that you simply don't understand the situation our the issues at hand.

that on't stop him from making an idiot out of himself and then having a meltdown for our amusement though.

 

[ginwilly]

This is clear evidence that you simply don't understand the situation our the issues at hand.

I don't think you understood what I said there. You got a like from a drooling idiot so more than likely you misrepresented something.

I'm saying the cable companies should not be allowed to block competition by claiming ownership of lines when they use satellites they don't own.

Make sense now?

 

[ttystikk]

I don't think you understood what I said there. You got a like from a drooling idiot so more than likely you misrepresented something.

I'm saying the cable companies should not be allowed to block competition by claiming ownership of lines when they use satellites they don't own.

Make sense now?

No...

 

[NLXSK1]

The problem is not at the consumer level. The problem is that the ISPs charge companies like Netflix an exorbitant fee for bandwidth in order to make content available to consumers.

Then Netflix has a right to switch ISP's or become an ISP itself... The internet is not a monopoly.

 

[NLXSK1]

You fail to understand the issue at hand here, not regulating the Internet will turn it into a free for all. Ultimately it would stifle competition and tech companies so badly that it is a NET LOSS for the entire planet if it remains a non-utility.

Currently: broadband is unregulated, traffic flows freely to and from all sources at the same rate. Video traffic is the same importance as university data, same as emails. Everything is not priced according to the type of data, why would it be? All types of data require the same amount of ONs and OFFs, the electricity requirement is exactly the same bit for bit.

If things were allowed to be run by comcast:
All data could be priced according to an arbitrary number from someone's ass.

Massive additional fees will results in the inability of small business to have a web presence.

Not getting the Internet turned into a utility would be a nightmare for our economy.

Where are all these massive additional fees going to come from? Bandwidth is going up, usage fees are staying the same and/or going down for better service.

Has your internet bill been going up 20% a year like healthcare??

Why are you attempting to fix something that is not a problem?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Where are all these massive additional fees going to come from? Bandwidth is going up, usage fees are staying the same and/or going down for better service.

Has your internet bill been going up 20% a year like healthcare??

Why are you attempting to fix something that is not a problem?

You don't see a problem with making companies pay money so that they can have a website that works? Aside from the webmaster and servers they are leasing there should be no other costs involved.

Not turning ISPs into utilities will result in ISPs charging additional fees to have companies websites function properly/the way it is now.

 

[ginwilly]

No...

Cable and satellite companies get their content from satellites that they didn't pay for or put up.

 

[ginwilly]

You don't see a problem with making companies pay money so that they can have a website that works? Aside from the webmaster and servers they are leasing there should be no other costs involved.

Not turning ISPs into utilities will result in ISPs charging additional fees to have companies websites function properly/the way it is now.

Is that happening now?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Is that happening now?

It would if the regulation lands against net neutrality, that's what the FCC was going to allow and let comcast implement as soon as the end of this year.

 

[UncleBuck]

Has your internet bill been going up 20% a year like healthcare??

healthcare has bene going up at about 3-4%, down from the 7-8% it has been rising at for decades before obamacare.

Why are you attempting to fix something that is not a problem?

tell netflix it's not a problem. they just got throttled (basically extorted) and lost customers over this total non-problem.

 

[ttystikk]

Then Netflix has a right to switch ISP's or become an ISP itself... The internet is not a monopoly.

No they don't. Try getting interstate rights to bury cable.

 

[NLXSK1]

You don't see a problem with making companies pay money so that they can have a website that works? Aside from the webmaster and servers they are leasing there should be no other costs involved.

Not turning ISPs into utilities will result in ISPs charging additional fees to have companies websites function properly/the way it is now.

ISP's compete with one another. If one raises it's rates then you can go to another one. The competition is what keeps costs down despite inflation and the decreased buying power of the dollar.

You dont see how it will slow things down because of monitoring software?

You dont see how it will be more expensive with the extra reporting requirements?

You dont understand that taxpayers will have to fund a new bureacracy entitled to decide who is being treated fairly/unfairly regarding the internet? Someone probably the age of your grandpa and more worried about votes than bytes right?

You dont see how it will be more expensive and slower for everyone in the name of fairness??

 

[UncleBuck]

you misrepresented something

classic ginwilly.

it's always everyone else's fault.

 

[NLXSK1]

No they don't. Try getting interstate rights to bury cable.

Is that a problem with commerce or with government and regulation?

Government frequently creates the problems that it purports to solve.