Yields when starting seed outside

theexpress

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gilbsy123 said:
Seeds take less energy, overall, to generate usable herb. You can put it out into the soil immediately.

There is no risk of transplant shock.

No electricity spent to veg indoors.

No special potting mix needed.

No need for a dedicated space indoors.

There may be a need for culling males, if you want sinsemilla.

You will need to learn how to select breeding stock.

You won't get the exact same herb every time.

Like every decision in life there are consequences. There are so many variables when cloning or direct seeding that trying to get someone to agree that one is better than the other is like trying to convince someone why chocolate is better than vanilla. It's a preference based on individual situations.

I don't know enough about breeding to stop using clones. My seedlings seem to pop up and put out roots through the root plugs faster than the clones put out roots.

I haven't experimented direct sowing outdoors yet. I like the idea of not using electricity or buying any fertilizers or amendments.

So many ways to grow, just trying to maximize quality and minimize costs.
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seeds take less energy huh.. what about vegging males untill you find out there males.
 
theexpress

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all you dumbshit mother fuckers can suck my balls lile i cant beleave the stupidity here.you guys no it takes like 4-6 weeks to veg out a seedling just to it hits maturity to were u can cut clones or should flower them (alternating internodes) ive seen s clone in about a month blew up to over 2.5 3 feet. what fucking seedlongs do this.????
 
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theexpress

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bunch stupid ass mother fuckers on everything i love. only seed plants that grow somewat quick are the males.. stupid fucks
 
mikeykrinshaw12

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theexpress said:
bunch stupid ass mother fuckers on everything i love. only seed plants that grow somewat quick are the males.. stupid fucks
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Did you notice that there were points I agreed with you about. There are stages that i have noted clones growing faster than seedlings, and Usually, Usually- they do finish faster than their seed plant relatives.

But- if you go to a post secondary school you will learn about generalized fallacies- there is no absolute answer.

To make a claim based on observations, that implies nothing more than what was observed- is not fallacy.

To make a claim based on an assumption drawn from observations for any similar situation is considered a fallacy.

Proper English used in the scientific method- hard to argue with, maybe that's why so quick to resort to immature name calling. You would be much more respected for providing empirical data to back up your claims...
 
mikeykrinshaw12

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theexpress said:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/og-everything.859556/
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that is not a grow- mostly you just putting up pics of strait nuggs like you have pretty much always done.

In that thread you talk about growing from seed. not so much growing from clone. There is nothing there I just went through it.

Mostly talking about VEG times and growth speed in your comparissons on this thread- Why would you link to a thread showing NO pics of veg or comparison?
 
theexpress

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mikeykrinshaw12 said:
that is not a grow- mostly you just putting up pics of strait nuggs like you have pretty much always done.

In that thread you talk about growing from seed. not so much growing from clone. There is nothing there I just went through it.

Mostly talking about VEG times and growth speed in your comparissons on this thread- Why would you link to a thread showing NO pics of veg or comparison?
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gilbsy123

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theexpress said:
seeds take less energy huh.. what about vegging males untill you find out there males.
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The sun gives free energy the whole time, so it does take up space, but it just takes some water, which I'd be giving to the others right next to it anyways.

Then pull it out or use it to get more free seeds, no lamps burning electricity, which comes from burning coal, splitting atoms or disrupting a river all of which are putting nature out of whack polluting our environment and wasting more energy than popping a seed and finding a male.
 
theexpress

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gilbsy123 said:
The sun gives free energy the whole time, so it does take up space, but it just takes some water, which I'd be giving to the others right next to it anyways.

Then pull it out or use it to get more free seeds, no lamps burning electricity, which comes from burning coal, splitting atoms or disrupting a river all of which are putting nature out of whack polluting our environment and wasting more energy than popping a seed and finding a male.
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how does the sun give free energy in an indoor grow.... I don't have solar panels
 
mikeykrinshaw12

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theexpress said:
how does the sun give free energy in an indoor grow.... I don't have solar panels
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why would you say that after just posting pics of plants outside claiming they are yours? Again, flowering, not vegging, and no comparison to draw observations from.

I am doing both- from seed and from clone- And I am doing both- Inside and Outside- and have done it so many times for so many years.

When in an argument, when a person would respond to a claim with a counter claim using unrelated data- it typically indicates that person understands their fallacy and is unable or unwilling to admit it.

You cannot draw genomes from a genetic pool to produce different results within the same strain when growing with clones. This is done through breeding practices and only manifests through seedlings (genotypes and phenotypes). These genomes have a great amount of influence on growing patterns, flowering times, potential flowering structure/density/smell/potency..... and then you get into those that regulate the plants reactions to threats/injuries/diseases/pests which will also greatly contribute to overall yield. So how many generations down the line, the cloning methods used, acclimatization (as this is an outside thread/question), all and more have a great impact on the answer to the question. Similarly to at what methods of breeding the seeds are produced would also have great impact.

Another contributing factor- Having grown the same strain for years, and understanding that strain very well and how to work with it, will greatly impact my potential results with the strain. Knowing what works best through trial and error, observance and dumb luck. If its not a strain that is familiar or one has experience with, or if one is not familiar with how to "read" the traits of strains, then there is an impact of potential yield.

The picture I posted shows plants that vegged in the same indoor area, rotated for close ratios of light exposure. Same soil mixes used, same transplant times, the clones are about a week older that the plants from seed (as you indicated you believe to be a fair starting point). So it is relative to the conversation in comparing the two. The picture I posted does not show clones put outside versus seedlings started outside, which I believe is closer to what the op of the thread was asking. That comparison can easily be done- starting now or very soon, as I am in just a position to do that.

I make claim that neither is better or best- that nothing is guaranteed or exactly the same- but that both are different in a multitude of their own ways, and a great amount of joy and learning can be achieved by experiencing it for ones self to draw our own ideas from observations and base our future choices off of that.
 
theexpress

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mikeykrinshaw12 said:
why would you say that after just posting pics of plants outside claiming they are yours? Again, flowering, not vegging, and no comparison to draw observations from.

I am doing both- from seed and from clone- And I am doing both- Inside and Outside- and have done it so many times for so many years.

When in an argument, when a person would respond to a claim with a counter claim using unrelated data- it typically indicates that person understands their fallacy and is unable or unwilling to admit it.

You cannot draw genomes from a genetic pool to produce different results within the same strain when growing with clones. This is done through breeding practices and only manifests through seedlings (genotypes and phenotypes). These genomes have a great amount of influence on growing patterns, flowering times, potential flowering structure/density/smell/potency..... and then you get into those that regulate the plants reactions to threats/injuries/diseases/pests which will also greatly contribute to overall yield. So how many generations down the line, the cloning methods used, acclimatization (as this is an outside thread/question), all and more have a great impact on the answer to the question. Similarly to at what methods of breeding the seeds are produced would also have great impact.

Another contributing factor- Having grown the same strain for years, and understanding that strain very well and how to work with it, will greatly impact my potential results with the strain. Knowing what works best through trial and error, observance and dumb luck. If its not a strain that is familiar or one has experience with, or if one is not familiar with how to "read" the traits of strains, then there is an impact of potential yield.

The picture I posted shows plants that vegged in the same indoor area, rotated for close ratios of light exposure. Same soil mixes used, same transplant times, the clones are about a week older that the plants from seed (as you indicated you believe to be a fair starting point). So it is relative to the conversation in comparing the two. The picture I posted does not show clones put outside versus seedlings started outside, which I believe is closer to what the op of the thread was asking. That comparison can easily be done- starting now or very soon, as I am in just a position to do that.

I make claim that neither is better or best- that nothing is guaranteed or exactly the same- but that both are different in a multitude of their own ways, and a great amount of joy and learning can be achieved by experiencing it for ones self to draw our own ideas from observations and base our future choices off of that.
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im not saying whats better.. that's like me trying to tell someone Spanish girl pussy is better then white girl pussy different strokes for different folks... im just say clones veg faster in the same amount of veg time and finish a tab bit sooner... you can spin it how you want
 
mikeykrinshaw12

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theexpress said:
im not saying whats better.. that's like me trying to tell someone Spanish girl pussy is better then white girl pussy different strokes for different folks... im just say clones veg faster in the same amount of veg time and finish a tab bit sooner... you can spin it how you want
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thank you for clarifying your point- I certainly agree with that scenario being true on an indoor time scale and perpetual set up style growing system in most cases and when someone understands how to do just that.
 
theexpress

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mikeykrinshaw12 said:
thank you for clarifying your point- I certainly agree with that scenario being true on an indoor time scale and perpetual set up style growing system in most cases and when someone understands how to do just that.
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that's like the 4th time I had to clarify my point...
 
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