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Using non-ionic surfactants in your hydro res

legallyflying

legallyflying

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I read an article in maximum yield about using surfactants in your nutrient res can increase uptake and more importantly, control fungal infections. As is typical for MY they al give you just enough information to be curious so I googled it and it turns out that it is a fairly common practice.

It has been shown that surfactants can coat zoospores and inhibit their growth. I have a bottle of preference non-ionic surfactant that I use with herbicide for blackberry control and was thinking about giving it a try. Just thought I would start a thread and see if anyone else has used it.
 
Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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Nope never used it myself, but summer's coming over here and anything to help prevent fungi in my rig is damn welcome. I run both hydro and organic at the moment, could be real handy for the ebb n flow rig.

Subbed. Interested to see what comes out of this conversation.
 
cannawizard

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legallyflying said:
Well to avoid people that just want to sling poo, I'll provide a couple links (in order of believability)

http://www.apsnet.org/publications/PlantDisease/BackIssues/Documents/1996Articles/PlantDisease80n04_422.PDF

http://www.caes.uga.edu/publications/pubDetail.cfm?pk_id=7678

http://www.hydroponicssupplies.co/hydroponics/four-major-benefits-of-plant-surfactant/
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great read LF~ we are testing this on our soil-- some hydro shop owner just handed me one for free so I was like i'll take free lol, i'll post of pics of the test site of this stuff~

:joint:

 
Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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I'm a bit scared of anti-microbial properties in soil, though. I work pretty hard on maintaining a healthy soil food web. It is the one big advantage to living soil v/s hydro, if my bennies are strong and their population is healthy then I know I can look forward to very few hassles. Is there such a thing as 'selective' anti-microbial properties? Really curious about that. Makes for a helluva lot of sense in my purposefully sterile recirculating system to take care of ALL microbial life in a sense, as I know the bad ones are FAST to breed...
 
Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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PetFlora said:
I use Structured Water to make my water more efficient. Do a youtube search
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Sir, this has nothing to do with the topic of either non-ionic surfactants OR microbial life. Second, I googled it, and according to ALL reputable scientific sources that deal with the matter, it is quackery. Very impressed with your hungry-looking plants and your stones though.
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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Instead of getting your info from YouTube (generally not a source of imperical data). You should google structured water scam.

But anyways , not on topic dude but thanks for stopping by
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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No slinging poo here. "Nonionic surfactants are now being researched in relation to controlling fungal infection, especially in hydroponic systems. When a fungal zoospore is coated with a nonionic surfactant, it does not function well. Dr. Ann Chase (pathologist at the University of Florida) and others are currently reviewing the effect of these products on fungi."

I've used all kind of surfactants with my fave being NIS, which needless to say stands for Non Ionic Surfactant. Used to be called Red River. Word to the wise as warned in the first link you should experiment on a sample first, not the whole crop.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Beer Belly said:
Looking for aids in foliar feeding. Any Ideas?
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I do foliar sprays all the time using every kind of applicator from a qt. spray bottle to a tractor PTO driven air blaster, 40 gal., depending on the crop and volume. What do you have in mind?
 
Beer Belly

Beer Belly

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Uncle Ben said:
I do foliar sprays all the time using every kind of applicator from a qt. spray bottle to a tractor PTO driven air blaster, 40 gal., depending on the crop and volume. What do you have in mind?
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Lookin for better adhesion of the H2O based foliar feeding. Simple spray bottle application of misc foliar feeds.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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If you don't use a spreader-sticker, a surfactant, the effectiveness of your sprays will be reduced 50% or more, especially with cannabis as the leaf surface tension can be quite high and the leaves can be hairy.

Contrary to popular belief the stomata does not have to be open to absorb the AI (active ingredient). The entire leaf epidermis absorbs the AI. That's why when you apply too much causing a phytotoxic condition you get leaf burn.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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Uncle Ben said:
If you don't use a spreader-sticker, a surfactant, the effectiveness of your sprays will be reduced 50% or more, especially with cannabis as the leaf surface tension can be quite high and the leaves can be hairy.

Contrary to popular belief the stomata does not have to be open to absorb the AI (active ingredient). The entire leaf epidermis absorbs the AI. That's why when you apply too much causing a phytotoxic condition you get leaf burn.
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I luv it when you talk like that. It make me hot, thinking about hairy leaves and open stomata. Common, give me some big bud talk. I need it.
 
Beer Belly

Beer Belly

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Uncle Ben said:
If you don't use a spreader-sticker, a surfactant, the effectiveness of your sprays will be reduced 50% or more, especially with cannabis as the leaf surface tension can be quite high and the leaves can be hairy.

Contrary to popular belief the stomata does not have to be open to absorb the AI (active ingredient). The entire leaf epidermis absorbs the AI. That's why when you apply too much causing a phytotoxic condition you get leaf burn.
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Can you recommend any brand of spreader sticker? I could use both kinds (My GF hasn't been putting out as often as I'd like LOL :lol: ) and the kind for my green ladies too.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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Structured water :lol: Makes me miss Petflora...

So what would be a good source for these non-ionic surfercunts besides AN?

Could be an interesting addition for cloners too.

How about Yucca? Usually a bad idea to use organic in hydroponic but a quick search show it's done.

Doing a round on soil again, could easily setup a small dwc test.
 
bellcore

bellcore

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Not all dish soaps are non-ionic, many are anionic. Dawn happens to have dimethlyamine oxide , which is non-ionic. You might get bubbles though.
 
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