Is secession a good thing?

[Rob Roy]

so you wouldn't have a problem with your 6 year old daughter seeing the penis of a grown man ? I personally would. I'm glad we have rules to put your damn clothes on in public. I'm trying to get an understanding of Rob Roy peaceful world of no force

I didn't say that. I asked you to describe how a person is harmed when another person is naked. You didn't answer my question.


I'll answer yours though. I don't have a 6 year old daughter, but when my sons were young, I would not have put them in situations where there is potential harm. If I'd had a daughter(s) I'd have tried to keep them safe from potential harm as well.

However merely seeing a penis is usually by itself not anymore harmful than seeing an elbow or a calf is, cultural standards vary , so many people never question those standards, much less answer why they abide by certain standards.


So, how does seeing a naked person harm you ?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

so you wouldn't have a problem with your 6 year old daughter seeing the penis of a grown man ? I personally would. I'm glad we have rules to put your damn clothes on in public. I'm trying to get an understanding of Rob Roy peaceful world of no force

I was also raised in a very relaxed knowledge based environment. It's not a pee-pee or a wiener, that's a penis. The things on your mothers chest are breasts, babies come from adults having sex, etc. I was six when I understood that sperm comes from males and their testicles enable this. Questions were answered with proper vocabulary and throughly explained. I once got in trouble in grammar school for explaining procreation as scientifically as a seven year old could.

Additionally my family is rather relaxed with nakedness, perhaps I am more of a fringe element then I thought.

I do not have children yet, I couldn't make a 100% prediction but I think I would be okay with any of my children at any age seeing nakedness, in person or image.

 

[Rob Roy]

ok see we have established that you see nothing wrong with a child seeing grown people naked. What if two grown people making out naked on the public beach. No harm to the child either ?

Who owns the beach is the question you should first determine.

Seeing an adult naked could be harmful for a child, but you haven't described to me why you think it is or if it is more harmful than a child seeing an adult abused by the system that you constantly defend, but can't even think of one instance where that same system provides you something you like that doesn't involve a threat of initiated force.

Also, you're not nearly as good at answering questions as I have been. That makes me think you are unable to defend your premise.

 

[UncleBuck]

I could throw down a Lysander Spooner magic trump card

reported as OMFG LOL.

back on the subject of rules in your society.

if a black man tried to buy gas at a gas station and the racist owner wouldn't sell it to him, would you charge the black man with rape?

also, if your neighbor found out that you had been paying his 7 year old son for sex in a "voluntary agreement" and wanted to kill you for diddling his kid, what recourse would he have against your "voluntary agreement" for pedophilia?

 

[UncleBuck]

so you wouldn't have a problem with your 6 year old daughter seeing the penis of a grown man ? I personally would. I'm glad we have rules to put your damn clothes on in public. I'm trying to get an understanding of Rob Roy peaceful world of no force

a lot of what his utopia seems to consist of is spam straight from NAMBLA.

it's spaMBLA.

 

[UncleBuck]

merely seeing a penis is usually by itself not anymore harmful than seeing an elbow or a calf is

so you're now defending the practice of showing your penis to 6 year old boys in public?

seriously?

reported as spaMBLA. it is frightening what types of pedophile activities you will defend.

first you defend paying children for sex as "a voluntary agreement" and now you say it is not harmful to expose your penis to 6 year old boys in public.

you are a fucking creep.

 

[UncleBuck]

I was also raised in a very relaxed knowledge based environment. It's not a pee-pee or a wiener, that's a penis. The things on your mothers chest are breasts, babies come from adults having sex, etc. I was six when I understood that sperm comes from males and their testicles enable this. Questions were answered with proper vocabulary and throughly explained. I once got in trouble in grammar school for explaining procreation as scientifically as a seven year old could.

Additionally my family is rather relaxed with nakedness, perhaps I am more of a fringe element then I thought.

I do not have children yet, I couldn't make a 100% prediction but I think I would be okay with any of my children at any age seeing nakedness, in person or image.

so if robroy wanted to expose himself to your 6 year old kid in public, you would feel comfortable with that?

 

[londonfog]

Who owns the beach is the question you should first determine.

Seeing an adult naked could be harmful for a child, but you haven't described to me why you think it is or if it is more harmful than a child seeing an adult abused by the system that you constantly defend, but can't even think of one instance where that same system provides you something you like that doesn't involve a threat of initiated force.

Also, you're not nearly as good at answering questions as I have been. That makes me think you are unable to defend your premise.

who owns the beach ? The beach is public property for all.
I really have to tell you that a 6 year old seeing a mans cock is wrong ? So you would have no problem with anyone in you famiy seeing others nude when they go out in public. Would your parents feel the same way ? What if the naked man on the beach started jacking off. Would you say " he is not harming anyone , so it is ok"

 

[UncleBuck]

who owns the beach ? The beach is public property for all.
I really have to tell you that a 6 year old seeing a mans cock is wrong ? So you would have no problem with anyone in you famiy seeing others nude when they go out in public. Would your parents feel the same way ? What if the naked man on the beach started jacking off. Would you say " he is not harming anyone , so it is ok"

do you get the feeling that robroy is a member of NAMBLA, and has been institutionalized at some point for making 'voluntary agreements' with young children?

 

[londonfog]

I was also raised in a very relaxed knowledge based environment. It's not a pee-pee or a wiener, that's a penis. The things on your mothers chest are breasts, babies come from adults having sex, etc. I was six when I understood that sperm comes from males and their testicles enable this. Questions were answered with proper vocabulary and throughly explained. I once got in trouble in grammar school for explaining procreation as scientifically as a seven year old could.

Additionally my family is rather relaxed with nakedness, perhaps I am more of a fringe element then I thought.

I do not have children yet, I couldn't make a 100% prediction but I think I would be okay with any of my children at any age seeing nakedness, in person or image.

usually you talk with sense, but if you really think it is ok for a young child to see naked grown folk then I think I have to look at you a lot more closely. I guess you would also just let you child watch porn as well ?

 

[londonfog]

do you get the feeling that robroy is a member of NAMBLA, and has been institutionalized at some point for making 'voluntary agreements' with young children?

Robroy actually leaves me at a loss of words. Now we got him saying it is ok for a 6 years old to see a strange grown mans cock at the playground or beach. Anything so he does not have to realize how fucked his views can be.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

usually you talk with sense, but if you really think it is ok for a young child to see naked grown folk then I think I have to look at you a lot more closely. I guess you would also just let you child watch porn as well ?

I guess context is extremely important. I discussed what I posted previously with my wife, she looked at me funny. "You are almost a nudist you goofball." I am pretty niave in the child rearing world, don't have any.

Pornography is something I would withhold and prevent my young from seeing, same for any little ones I would care for.

 

[a senile fungus]

I guess context is extremely important. I discussed what I posted previously with my wife, she looked at me funny. "You are almost a nudist you goofball." I am pretty niave in the child rearing world, don't have any.

Pornography is something I would withhold and prevent my young from seeing, same for any little ones I would care for.

When I was growing up sometimes my dad and I would shower together. Last time I remember was maybe 7 or 8yrs old. It wasn't a thing, non sexual in every way, it was just cleansing our bodies. I remember him showing me how to use the washcloth with the bar of soap, and how to dry off my back with the towel.

My brothers and I would shower together, all at the same time, when we were maybe 3yr to 10yrs old. We'd get filthy outside and my parents would throw us all in the shower at the same time.

My two brothers and I would all pee in the toilet at the same time to try to make as many bubbles as possible.

When I visited my grandfather last year and we were getting changed to do some yard work we changed in the same room, no qualms about it.

In college I had in ingrown hair on my junk and I showed my dad before my doctor.

They're human bodies people. We all have them. Jeez...


And yes, context and intent is important.

Flame suit on, I'm expecting some jokes about me and my dad lol

 

[AlecTheGardener]

When I was growing up sometimes my dad and I would shower together. Last time I remember was maybe 7 or 8yrs old. It wasn't a thing, non sexual in every way, it was just cleansing our bodies. I remember him showing me how to use the washcloth with the bar of soap, and how to dry off my back with the towel.

My brothers and I would shower together, all at the same time, when we were maybe 3yr to 10yrs old. We'd get filthy outside and my parents would throw us all in the shower at the same time.

My two brothers and I would all pee in the toilet at the same time to try to make as many bubbles as possible.

When I visited my grandfather last year and we were getting changed to do some yard work we changed in the same room, no qualms about it.

In college I had in ingrown hair on my junk and I showed my dad before my doctor.

They're human bodies people. We all have them. Jeez...


And yes, context and intent is important.

Flame suit on, I'm expecting some jokes about me and my dad lol

Add me to the list! I bathed with my mother until I was around five or six, bathed with my father until I was probably eight.

Being a healthcare provider also tends to make one numb to any embarrassment that might be expected socially.

 

[a senile fungus]

Add me to the list! I bathed with my mother until I was around five or six, bathed with my father until I was probably eight.

Being a healthcare provider also tends to make one numb to any embarrassment that might be expected socially.

Right?

I see so many "private parts" on a daily basis, not to mention cleaning people up, putting leads on and doing EKGs, urinary catheters, the list goes on.

I've had more dicks in my left hand than a Thai hooker.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Right?

I see so many "private parts" on a daily basis, not to mention cleaning people up, putting leads on and doing EKGs, urinary catheters, the list goes on.

I've had more dicks in my left hand than a Thai hooker.

I've handled more cocks then a bingo hall full of retired sex workers.

Seriously though, when you are focused on treatment and preserving dignity any embarrassment is gone.

. . . I once had a crush on a female that was a liaison for the state department, she was intelligent and gorgeous. She also carried a sidearm! What wasn't to like? She suspected she had an arrhythmia, I was expected to places leads on her. I had to duck out and let someone else, I started blushing the second I thought about it.

 

[londonfog]

I guess context is extremely important. I discussed what I posted previously with my wife, she looked at me funny. "You are almost a nudist you goofball." I am pretty niave in the child rearing world, don't have any.

Pornography is something I would withhold and prevent my young from seeing, same for any little ones I would care for.

Right?

I see so many "private parts" on a daily basis, not to mention cleaning people up, putting leads on and doing EKGs, urinary catheters, the list goes on.

I've had more dicks in my left hand than a Thai hooker.

The question was would you have a problem with your child seeing a stranger naked. Not a family member, but say you are going to a public playground with your child and a unknown grown man is walking around naked. You see no problem ?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

The question was would you have a problem with your child seeing a stranger naked. Not a family member, but say you are going to a public playground with your child and a unknown grown man is walking around naked. You see no problem ?

Me? Not immediately.

It is pretty likely my children will know what I look like nude, my wife also.

Questions would be asked, I would answer. Unless the nude person is performing some act sexual in nature I cannot see the immediate harm in this particular scenario.

If the nude person has ill intent this is a problem.

If no harm is obvious I would likely be laughing at the oddness of it all, then answering questiosn about why someone was nude in public at the playground. Then, "why can't I be naked at the playground?"

"You can't be naked at the playground because people get very offended." my answer would be.

 

[a senile fungus]

The question was would you have a problem with your child seeing a stranger naked. Not a family member, but say you are going to a public playground with your child and a unknown grown man is walking around naked. You see no problem ?

I'll be honest, haven't read the thread yet, I just jumped in to respond to Alec's post.

In that situation I would hope that my children would recognize a likely mentally ill individual and understand that the behavior they witnessed wasn't normal nor socially acceptable.

I would probably offer him my shirt, to exemplify to my kids the real way to respond to such a situation.

Then I'd call the cops lol.

 

[a senile fungus]

I feel that you and I would get along well, I've noticed some similarities here and there