Treason commited by Republican Senators

Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Yeah, an amazingly irresponsible, self-serving move. Just the sort of thing I expect from the semi-morons remaining in that party. But treason? Nah. What they deserve is abandonment, but I don't see it anytime soon unfortunately. I don't believe in throwing treason around lightly. I actually knew a person who was convicted of treason (there aren't many of those). She was a lovely woman and it was completely false.

It kind of goes back to my stoned theory of information. Basically, American society is reacting to a change in technology that has allowed media outlets to become as shrill and untruthful as the want. But nobody ever though it would come to this - the privatization of a major political party. We underestimated the number nut cases and conspiracy theorists; the crypto-fascists and serial racists.

And now they want to try their hand at international affairs. This is really embarrassing for us on a world level but they seem pretty much immune to it when they get elected.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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I see your Republican letter of warning to Russia and raise you Ted Kennedy's efforts to directly undermine Reagan's disarmament negotiations with Russia back in 1983. Was he charged with treason? PRECEDENT.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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Jimdamick said:
we petition the obama administration to:
File charges against the 47 U.S. Senators in violation of The Logan Act in attempting to undermine a nuclear agreement.
On March 9th, 2015, forty-seven United States Senators committed a treasonous offense when they decided to violate the Logan Act, a 1799 law which forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.
At a time when the United States government is attempting to reach a potential nuclear agreement with the Iranian government, 47 Senators saw fit to instead issue a condescending letter to the Iranian government stating that any agreement brokered by our President would not be upheld once the president leaves office.
This is a clear violation of federal law. In attempting to undermine our own nation, these 47 senators have committed treason.
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Waste of time and waste of court/costs.

What some Senators did was not what`s being said.

The Senators` sent a letter, by mail, in care of, the Birmingham Jail, to Iran`s Government reminding them that negotiations finalized by Barak Obama will have to be Ratified by the Senate or it will become an Executive Order. The letter states that the US Senate will not Ratify the deal and therefore under Executive Rules, can be changed or modified by any Administration after Obama`s term is up.

In other words it is not a deal that is carved in stone because Obama said so. Should the Senate Ratify the deal, it will be carved in stone and can only be changed or modified if and only if both nations agree. Then it will need to be re-written.


Not a threat or warning to the Government of Iran, but information they need to know because it has not been mentioned yet,...til now,... because Obama nor Kerry will expand on that.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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Obama`s idea of learning what Iran has as to thermonuclear possessions by allowing them to have generators and inspect them,...is as dumb as you can get. It appears a last ditch effort before things go into hiding.

Things are going to fly in a different direction when Egypt has their Russian Nuke generators. yes that was plural...I guess the mad dash is for the First Islamic State to carry defensive or offensive Nuclear Strike capabilities,...get`s to be the head of the Caliphate thingy they don`t want.

Obama don`t care bout that, he wants what`s best for them first, so we can relax here....
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Unclebaldrick said:
Yeah, an amazingly irresponsible, self-serving move. Just the sort of thing I expect from the semi-morons remaining in that party. But treason? Nah. What they deserve is abandonment, but I don't see it anytime soon unfortunately. I don't believe in throwing treason around lightly. I actually knew a person who was convicted of treason (there aren't many of those). She was a lovely woman and it was completely false.

It kind of goes back to my stoned theory of information. Basically, American society is reacting to a change in technology that has allowed media outlets to become as shrill and untruthful as the want. But nobody ever though it would come to this - the privatization of a major political party. We underestimated the number nut cases and conspiracy theorists; the crypto-fascists and serial racists.

And now they want to try their hand at international affairs. This is really embarrassing for us on a world level but they seem pretty much immune to it when they get elected.
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Crypto-fascists... fascinating term. Can you illuminate me about its definition, as you use it?

Straight up, both my folks were English professors, my father went on to a career in the State Department.

Not a shred of sarcasm; I'm being totally straight with you.
 
WeedFreak78

WeedFreak78

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OddBall1st said:
Waste of time and waste of court/costs.

What some Senators did was not what`s being said.

The Senators` sent a letter, by mail, in care of, the Birmingham Jail, to Iran`s Government reminding them that negotiations finalized by Barak Obama will have to be Ratified by the Senate or it will become an Executive Order. The letter states that the US Senate will not Ratify the deal and therefore under Executive Rules, can be changed or modified by any Administration after Obama`s term is up.

In other words it is not a deal that is carved in stone because Obama said so. Should the Senate Ratify the deal, it will be carved in stone and can only be changed or modified if and only if both nations agree. Then it will need to be re-written.


Not a threat or warning to the Government of Iran, but information they need to know because it has not been mentioned yet,...til now,... because Obama nor Kerry will expand on that.
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It most certainly was a threat, a thinly veiled on at that. Pretty much they told Iran that no matter what the Pres does "WE" hold the final power and will do whatever we can to overide it.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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WeedFreak78 said:
Our president has no obligation to any country but the United States of America.
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So why is Iran relying on the US to be the frontrunner in obtaining Nuclear capabilities ? Iran only needs one of the "Nations" to support it and apply for permissions. Even if all other "Nations" oppose, Iran can still have closely supervised programs by the supporting "Nation". That`s the problem the world has with Iran,...non compliance with NRC. Obama feels that is a non issue after permissions are granted.

One word sums it all up,.....Fool !i
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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WeedFreak78 said:
It most certainly was a threat, a thinly veiled on at that. Pretty much they told Iran that no matter what the Pres does "WE" hold the final power and will do whatever we can to overide it.
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How is the truth a threat ? On what grounds should Iran fell threatened ?
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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ttystikk said:
Crypto-fascists... fascinating term. Can you illuminate me about its definition, as you use it?

Straight up, both my folks were English professors, my father went on to a career in the State Department.

Not a shred of sarcasm; I'm being totally straight with you.
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Sounds like a word to me. I actually like it. Fascists that live in crypts, isn't it obvious?
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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WeedFreak78 said:
It most certainly was a threat, a thinly veiled on at that. Pretty much they told Iran that no matter what the Pres does "WE" hold the final power and will do whatever we can to overide it.
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Obama speaks to Iran as if he can do the deal without Ratification, and he can, by Executive Order, but that can be altered or removed by the next Administration. The only threat I see is the increased probabilities created by allowing/regulating Iran to handle Nuclear materials....
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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WeedFreak78 said:
It's passive-aggressive. no actual threat, but an implied one. The "threat" is the undermining of the treaty talks if the Repubs don't get their way.
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The letters implication seems to be for Iran to not be surprised by a curveball thrown in the near future. that don`t fall under threat....
 
WeedFreak78

WeedFreak78

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OddBall1st said:
Obama speaks to Iran as if he can do the deal without Ratification, and he can, by Executive Order, but that can be altered or removed by the next Administration. The only threat I see is the increased probabilities created by allowing/regulating Iran to handle Nuclear materials....
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I see no threat in a nuclear Iran..no more than a nuclear Pakistan or a nuclear China..both of which were portrayed the same way before they got nuclear capabilities. It's fear based propaganda. 99% of problems in that part of the world are directly caused intentionally by western forign policy.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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The republican party in this country is owned and operated by the biggest donors- who happen to own the biggest and most profitable corporations. These include pharmaceuticals, energy and DEFENSE.

They won't want peace, they'll want excuses to continue America's endless war strategy so the above industries can continue suckling at the taxpayer teat.

Conspiracy? Nah, they don't bother to hide it, because they have more money than the other 95% of Americans put together- and our treasonous SCOTUS has read their George Orwell carefully;

MONEY = 'FREE' SPEECH!

BWAHAHAHA! WHAT UTTER INSANE BULLSHIT!
 
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