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…and their origins. Per request. 
They got roughly 90 “strains”…
5K Puff
This is 50 Cent crossed with Puff Daddy, newskool gangster shit brah.
Actually, it’s (OG Kush x White Widow) x (OG Kush x Sour Diesel). That last one, as you maybe remember from the Top US strains 2014 thread, is based on chemdawg (bag seed) and super skunk and sensi NL. 5K puff is largely Sensi x GHS/shantibaba x Dutch Passion.
Banana Puff
OG Kush x OG Kush x Sour diesel, again.
Blanco Berry Kush
Based on 3 x White Widow (dutch strain) crosses x US bag seed OG Kush.
Fun fact: White Widow was the nr1 most popular strain in the coffeeshops for many years, something different than the same ol' you know... I smoked it so much I developed a dislike for it and WW crosses. That's in many case in practice justified because if they don't know what it is, and it's strong and frosty, it's white widow. Like how in some places everything is skunk, and in others everything good an strong is some original gangster sjjiiiit.
OG Kush… selfed bagseed of chemdawg, which is bag seed… OR bag seed x landraces which Harold Putz called “the secret ingredient”, that fell out of the sky (after ordering it from Amsterdam, masterkush probably, maybe skunk even). There are over a dozen OG “elite” cuts, all used for “breeding” as well.
Fun Fact: We don’t grow bag seeds in NL. Very strange seeing that when I registered about 2 years ago. You’re going to waste 3 months on bag seed… wtf… We throw those away, no good, little selfed inbred mongols or pollen chucks. In the US they lead to the popular “strains”… which “breeders” use to produce more “strains”… where they bitch about Amsterdam selling watered down genetics - so you make it even worse… makes sense. And yes, I know plenty of people got great plants out of bag seed. Just like they get great results germinating seeds in paper towels, flushing, organics, defoliation… “It works!”
Joseph
The OG Kush x Sour diesel cross I mentioned above a coupe of times. Specifically, according to Gage Green: “Joseph is a 'bag seed' male pheno found in a batch of Underdawg OG.”
I obviously wasn’t kidding in the other 3 threads when I said US strains is hermi x bag seed x pollen chuck x bag seed x Dutch strains…
Joseph - bag seed of selfed bag seed of bag seed, is used in 30(!) crosses. Please keep that shit in the US. And people bitch on Arjan for messing up the gene pool lol. The hypocrisy thickens…
Cerberus
From GGG: “The Bastards Series offers a peak into the endless possibilities of open pollination. These packs contain seeds from several studs (male plants) and one mother. Gage Green Genetics put their finest mothers into an open pollination with their top performing fathers (from Chemdawg OG to Inferno Haze) to offer a broad selection for the genetic connoisseur.”
Translated: “We pollen chucked bag seed with Inferno Haze, buy your find-a-keeper pack now”
Inferno Haze is by now F2, but wasn’t when Cerberus was created… not that F2 would be suitable unless given a huge plant count and extensive insight in how the plant’s genes inherit. Inferno Haze is O Haze x more OG bag seed. Actually seems like an interesting cross. If it’s really based on O haze that is. Many buy silver haze (sensi) or ssh (mr nice) or NL#5/haze (sensi and others) as a short cut. Like i said in the Dynasty strains thread, starting with O haze is almost a noble thing to do. The long flowering time adds significantly to a breeding project, especially for real breeders (who need more than 1 round to create 13 strains…).
If finding a keeper to clone is your thing, not a bad choice this one.
Fun fact: Same thing with DNA genetics, they say cannalope haze is O haze x mexican sativa, an 8-week flowering fluke they found in an O Haze cross… Ask at the two other large forums that have their own seed sites what cannalope haze is.
Transformer
Inferno Haze x Joseph
Haarlem
Great name.
Sour Diesel x Anesthesia
For sour diesel see above.
Anesthesia is a strain by Wazzup, someone who I mentioned a few times in these forums in regards to Gavita. Is/was (dunno…. since growshop law this month…) admin of the largest and oldest dutch grow forum, which is owned by Sannie, and now works for Gavita. Needless to say based on Sannie gear, and on positronics skunk afghani (different route than nevill->sensi… see http://www.olded.nl/Old Ed geschiedenis.html and select English language… )
Sannie, wisely, exchanged gear with other breeders, it’s entirely possible they got their blessing both ways or whatever. Not implying they ‘stole’ or made a chuck-off, just pointing out the origin. So, bag seed x sensi x wazzup/sannie.
Ok, one more, Lemon Puff
Lemon Diesel x Joseph
GGG says “Lemon Diesel is a clone. Not sure about its lineage”
Yes people. Lemon Diesel is a clone. Don't you forget it. Not from seed, not from the same seeds where everyone else including GHS SLH got lemon - but is a clone.
Fun facts:
• The Dutch are the world’s largest exporter of seeds: the exports of seeds amounted to € 1.5 billion, growing 5% each year.
• Of the approximately 1,800 new plant varieties that enter the European market each year, 65 per cent originate in the Netherlands. In addition, Dutch breeders account for more than 40% of all applications for community plant variety rights.
Obviously not about cannabis. This one is:
- The trade in clones has been illegal quite a few years here. Last time I bought clones from a growshop was in 1996 (Orange). While the illegal trade remained active of course, for the smaller growers not in the scene buying 10 reg or 5 fem became the way to grow (5 plants being tolerated). Those 5 plants need to produce about a pound of the same cannabis, so they can sell it to a coffeeshop, who then can sell the same bud for a few days/weeks instead of selling the result of 5 different phenos.
Perhaps we just have higher demands.
Vrooom vrooom...
They got roughly 90 “strains”…
5K Puff
This is 50 Cent crossed with Puff Daddy, newskool gangster shit brah.
Actually, it’s (OG Kush x White Widow) x (OG Kush x Sour Diesel). That last one, as you maybe remember from the Top US strains 2014 thread, is based on chemdawg (bag seed) and super skunk and sensi NL. 5K puff is largely Sensi x GHS/shantibaba x Dutch Passion.
Banana Puff
OG Kush x OG Kush x Sour diesel, again.
Blanco Berry Kush
Based on 3 x White Widow (dutch strain) crosses x US bag seed OG Kush.
Fun fact: White Widow was the nr1 most popular strain in the coffeeshops for many years, something different than the same ol' you know... I smoked it so much I developed a dislike for it and WW crosses. That's in many case in practice justified because if they don't know what it is, and it's strong and frosty, it's white widow. Like how in some places everything is skunk, and in others everything good an strong is some original gangster sjjiiiit.
OG Kush… selfed bagseed of chemdawg, which is bag seed… OR bag seed x landraces which Harold Putz called “the secret ingredient”, that fell out of the sky (after ordering it from Amsterdam, masterkush probably, maybe skunk even). There are over a dozen OG “elite” cuts, all used for “breeding” as well.
Fun Fact: We don’t grow bag seeds in NL. Very strange seeing that when I registered about 2 years ago. You’re going to waste 3 months on bag seed… wtf… We throw those away, no good, little selfed inbred mongols or pollen chucks. In the US they lead to the popular “strains”… which “breeders” use to produce more “strains”… where they bitch about Amsterdam selling watered down genetics - so you make it even worse… makes sense. And yes, I know plenty of people got great plants out of bag seed. Just like they get great results germinating seeds in paper towels, flushing, organics, defoliation… “It works!”
Joseph
The OG Kush x Sour diesel cross I mentioned above a coupe of times. Specifically, according to Gage Green: “Joseph is a 'bag seed' male pheno found in a batch of Underdawg OG.”
I obviously wasn’t kidding in the other 3 threads when I said US strains is hermi x bag seed x pollen chuck x bag seed x Dutch strains…
Joseph - bag seed of selfed bag seed of bag seed, is used in 30(!) crosses. Please keep that shit in the US. And people bitch on Arjan for messing up the gene pool lol. The hypocrisy thickens…
Cerberus
From GGG: “The Bastards Series offers a peak into the endless possibilities of open pollination. These packs contain seeds from several studs (male plants) and one mother. Gage Green Genetics put their finest mothers into an open pollination with their top performing fathers (from Chemdawg OG to Inferno Haze) to offer a broad selection for the genetic connoisseur.”
Translated: “We pollen chucked bag seed with Inferno Haze, buy your find-a-keeper pack now”
Inferno Haze is by now F2, but wasn’t when Cerberus was created… not that F2 would be suitable unless given a huge plant count and extensive insight in how the plant’s genes inherit. Inferno Haze is O Haze x more OG bag seed. Actually seems like an interesting cross. If it’s really based on O haze that is. Many buy silver haze (sensi) or ssh (mr nice) or NL#5/haze (sensi and others) as a short cut. Like i said in the Dynasty strains thread, starting with O haze is almost a noble thing to do. The long flowering time adds significantly to a breeding project, especially for real breeders (who need more than 1 round to create 13 strains…).
If finding a keeper to clone is your thing, not a bad choice this one.
Fun fact: Same thing with DNA genetics, they say cannalope haze is O haze x mexican sativa, an 8-week flowering fluke they found in an O Haze cross… Ask at the two other large forums that have their own seed sites what cannalope haze is.
Transformer
Inferno Haze x Joseph
Haarlem
Great name.
Sour Diesel x Anesthesia
For sour diesel see above.
Anesthesia is a strain by Wazzup, someone who I mentioned a few times in these forums in regards to Gavita. Is/was (dunno…. since growshop law this month…) admin of the largest and oldest dutch grow forum, which is owned by Sannie, and now works for Gavita. Needless to say based on Sannie gear, and on positronics skunk afghani (different route than nevill->sensi… see http://www.olded.nl/Old Ed geschiedenis.html and select English language… )
Sannie, wisely, exchanged gear with other breeders, it’s entirely possible they got their blessing both ways or whatever. Not implying they ‘stole’ or made a chuck-off, just pointing out the origin. So, bag seed x sensi x wazzup/sannie.
Ok, one more, Lemon Puff
Lemon Diesel x Joseph
GGG says “Lemon Diesel is a clone. Not sure about its lineage”
Yes people. Lemon Diesel is a clone. Don't you forget it. Not from seed, not from the same seeds where everyone else including GHS SLH got lemon - but is a clone.
Fun facts:
• The Dutch are the world’s largest exporter of seeds: the exports of seeds amounted to € 1.5 billion, growing 5% each year.
• Of the approximately 1,800 new plant varieties that enter the European market each year, 65 per cent originate in the Netherlands. In addition, Dutch breeders account for more than 40% of all applications for community plant variety rights.
Obviously not about cannabis. This one is:
- The trade in clones has been illegal quite a few years here. Last time I bought clones from a growshop was in 1996 (Orange). While the illegal trade remained active of course, for the smaller growers not in the scene buying 10 reg or 5 fem became the way to grow (5 plants being tolerated). Those 5 plants need to produce about a pound of the same cannabis, so they can sell it to a coffeeshop, who then can sell the same bud for a few days/weeks instead of selling the result of 5 different phenos.
Perhaps we just have higher demands.
Vrooom vrooom...
I applaud you sir.. .. Stick it to the man!
