Under what individual authority does government exist?

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
I am starting this thread to encourage a conversation about the meaning of consent.

Below is an excerpt from an editorial by Will Tippens. The full editorial is available at Strike the Root published 4/20.

Have at it.

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What does it mean to "consent" to something? Thanks to the increasing, if often misplaced concern over sexual assault and rape, this important question is being posed now more than ever. One recent article went viral by aptly comparing sexual consent to offering someone a "cup of tea." According to this analogy, consent is as simple as offering someone a cup of tea; if they accept, they will drink the tea. If they decline or lose capacity to consent (lose consciousness), the tea party host cannot pour it down their throat. A simple yet effective analogy.

However, the topic of consent is an extremely important legal concept, as it is not only the key element in differenting between sex and rape, but the difference between all aggression and voluntary agreements. Without the concept of 'consent,' we cannot determine if someone is going on a date or being kidnapped, loaning $20 to a friend or having it stolen, or fighting in a boxing match or being assaulted by Mike Tyson.

But the elephant in the room that no one seems to mention is that this simple yet effective definition of consent raises a far more deeply reaching question: Is our relationship with government consensual?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
What makes an act or interaction consensual or not is the point of this thread.

Perhaps you could offer some insight into this, rather than simple declarations?
you are to not pour tea or any other hot liquid down anyone's throat while unconsious..i get it.

are you saying the american peoples are 'unconsious'?
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
is that the point?
No. The point was to have an honest discussion about what actual consent means and to illustrate that some people assume consent exists when government is involved, but that is often not the case.

Thanks for asking.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
No. The point was to have an honest discussion about what actual consent means and to illustrate that some people assume consent exists when government is involved, but that is often not the case.

Thanks for asking.
i get the definition.

so, what about the government?

i'm not following..if you're trying to say that just because you don't want any tea, doesn't circumvent your fiduciary responsibility to pay your state and federal taxes.

you are some sort of part of society or you wouldn't be complaining.

unfortunately, as part of society, we have rules.

if there were no rules to follow, it would anarchy.

government sets the expectation and we agree to it, by living in society..

now if you wish to really be 'off the grid' by all means.

but those are the choices.

nothing you can say will ever convince me otherwise.
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
i get the definition.

so, what about the government?

i'm not following..if you're trying to say that just because you don't want any tea, doesn't circumvent your fiduciary responsibility to pay your state and federal taxes.

you are some sort of part of society or you wouldn't be complaining.

unfortunately, as part of society, we have rules.

if there were no rules to follow, it would anarchy.

government sets the expectation and we agree to it, by living in society..

now if you wish to really be 'off the grid' by all means.

but those are the choices.

nothing you can say will ever convince me otherwise.

If government sets the expectation and governments business model includes using initiatory force to make others comply, does that mean you should to?
 
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