Active closed-loop BHO extraction machine

AtomiCronic

AtomiCronic

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Hey there guys! Im looking into purchasing equipment to start making BHO shatter and had a few questions so i figured id get the two cents from those that have experience in this field.
I've narrowed it down to best value vacs extraction machine, im basically going with this base and this dewaxing tube. I'll be purchasing the r600 refrigerant recovery pump, hoses, vacuum pump, molecular transformer, refrigerant scale and N-butane from 3rd party sites saving a bunch of money.
  • My first question is has anyone used this brand or heard anything about them? just wondering if they're worth the money and if anyones heard of any problems.
  • Second is if i use the dewaxing tube with dry ice and denatured alcohol and freeze my tank will i still need to winterize or will that be effective enough to remove all of the waxs?
  • Third is i've seen a few variations of heat and time purging but im wondering what your opinions are. I'm looking into purchasing a vacuum oven but may for the time being just use a simple chamber and heating pad. From what i've gathered 100 F for at least 48 hrs?
  • Forth is the butane that i plan on getting is very pure, 99.9%, is this acceptable for using with such low temps with the dry ice/ alcohol bath or will i end up freezing the butane?
  • Fifth is with all this in mind will i be able to produce a very high quality product? Am i missing anything?
Thank you all in advance for your advice, I know im asking a lot all at once but i just like to be thorough when researching something new.
 
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deadgro

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AtomiCronic said:
Hey there guys! Im looking into purchasing equipment to start making BHO shatter and had a few questions so i figured id get the two cents from those that have experience in this field.
I've narrowed it down to best value vacs extraction machine, im basically going with this base and this dewaxing tube. I'll be purchasing the r600 refrigerant recovery pump, hoses, vacuum pump, molecular transformer, refrigerant scale and N-butane from 3rd party sites saving a bunch of money.
  • My first question is has anyone used this brand or heard anything about them? just wondering if they're worth the money and if anyones heard of any problems.
  • Second is if i use the dewaxing tube with dry ice and denatured alcohol and freeze my tank will i still need to winterize or will that be effective enough to remove all of the waxs?
  • Third is i've seen a few variations of heat and time purging but im wondering what your opinions are. I'm looking into purchasing a vacuum oven but may for the time being just use a simple chamber and heating pad. From what i've gathered 100 F for at least 48 hrs?
  • Forth is the butane that i plan on getting is very pure, 99.9%, is this acceptable for using with such low temps with the dry ice/ alcohol bath or will i end up freezing the butane?
  • Fifth is with all this in mind will i be able to produce a very high quality product? Am i missing anything?
Thank you all in advance for your advice, I know im asking a lot all at once but i just like to be thorough when researching something new.
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deadgro

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AtomiCronic said:
Uh yeah, Nice hair straightener...lol. I'm well aware of the rosen tech. However that has no place for large scale recovery IMO, the amount of manpower that would go into processing even a few pounds would negate any profits from said extraction.
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If you're making pounds at a time, I'm guessing its "medicine" for patients, who certainly do not need to be inhaling butane impurities.
 
AtomiCronic

AtomiCronic

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This argument is irrelevant, people want what people want even when it is medicine. As far as impurities go it was my understanding that when properly purged and pure n-butane is used the amount of impurities is inconsequential. <.0001g
 
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deadgro

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Twitch. said:
like what? can you name some? or is this something you are regurgitating... we get alot of that here
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Ammonia, chlorine, cyanide, et al.

You have no clue what's in it if you don't have it tested. If you're making "medicine" and you have a conscience, maybe youd want to know what's in it. Just sayin.
 
Twitch

Twitch

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ammonia chlorine and cyanide... that sounds like the same list that the TRUTH commercials rattle off for what is in cigarettes... I know for a fact without purging my oil with all the butane there is non of those items you listed.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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deadgro said:
Ammonia, chlorine, cyanide, et al.

You have no clue what's in it if you don't have it tested. If you're making "medicine" and you have a conscience, maybe youd want to know what's in it. Just sayin.
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We have of course had third party certified forensic labs analyze the butane we use to the PPB levels, and it most certainly doesn't have Ammonia, chlorine, cyanide.

We also routinely GS test our extracts and dispensaries require testing before they can sell it. Those contaminants are of course not there, or they couldn't sell it.

It would appear that you are the clueless one and have been led astray by hoopla, from folks with secondary agendas. The original organized attack was by a CO2 extractor trying to gain a competitive edge and was refuted by a third party forensic lab chapter and verse, though it hasn't shut them up, because they rely on emotional responses and ignorance.

Have you given much thought as to where exactly those contaminants would come from?
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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AtomiCronic said:
Hey there guys! Im looking into purchasing equipment to start making BHO shatter and had a few questions so i figured id get the two cents from those that have experience in this field.
I've narrowed it down to best value vacs extraction machine, im basically going with this base and this dewaxing tube. I'll be purchasing the r600 refrigerant recovery pump, hoses, vacuum pump, molecular transformer, refrigerant scale and N-butane from 3rd party sites saving a bunch of money.

Use a 3/8" X 50' jockey ss jockey box coil instead of a transformanator, which has only 1/4" lines, that are too small for chilled butane.
  • My first question is has anyone used this brand or heard anything about them? just wondering if they're worth the money and if anyones heard of any problems.

    Never run one, but their systems are based on the same components most of the rest of the Terpenators are, and I've heard no unique problems with them
  • Second is if i use the dewaxing tube with dry ice and denatured alcohol and freeze my tank will i still need to winterize or will that be effective enough to remove all of the waxs?
You can reduce it low levels without winterizing, so that most folks don't bother, but if you winterize some more waxes will typically come out.
  • Third is i've seen a few variations of heat and time purging but im wondering what your opinions are. I'm looking into purchasing a vacuum oven but may for the time being just use a simple chamber and heating pad. From what i've gathered 100 F for at least 48 hrs?
You can do anything in a chamber that you can in an oven. How hot and long you run it, depends on what you're making
  • Forth is the butane that i plan on getting is very pure, 99.9%, is this acceptable for using with such low temps with the dry ice/ alcohol bath or will i end up freezing the butane?
Depends on how cold you get it, but we like around -30C, and the butane is thick, but not frozen
  • Fifth is with all this in mind will i be able to produce a very high quality product? Am i missing anything?
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Thank you all in advance for your advice, I know im asking a lot all at once but i just like to be thorough when researching something new.
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AtomiCronic

AtomiCronic

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Thank you very much, i have been on icmag a lot the past few days reading. i'll be posting up there as soon as i can but fadedawg answered everything that i needed for now :)
 
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deadgro

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Fadedawg said:
We have of course had third party certified forensic labs analyze the butane we use to the PPB levels, and it most certainly doesn't have Ammonia, chlorine, cyanide.

We also routinely GS test our extracts and dispensaries require testing before they can sell it. Those contaminants are of course not there, or they couldn't sell it.

It would appear that you are the clueless one and have been led astray by hoopla, from folks with secondary agendas. The original organized attack was by a CO2 extractor trying to gain a competitive edge and was refuted by a third party forensic lab chapter and verse, though it hasn't shut them up, because they rely on emotional responses and ignorance.

Have you given much thought as to where exactly those contaminants would come from?
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Its great that skunk "pharm" has their butane tested, but home cooks cannot assume their butane is safe.

The contamimants exist in the earth, where natural gas is extracted and refined into butane. This is why butane refining equipment is specifically marketed to remove arsenic, ammonia and cyanide.

Also, do your lawyers recommend marketing bho to people with compromised immune systems? If you wanna get stoners more fucked up, great. But call it what it is.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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deadgro said:
Its great that skunk "pharm" has their butane tested, but home cooks cannot assume their butane is safe.

The contamimants exist in the earth, where natural gas is extracted and refined into butane. This is why butane refining equipment is specifically marketed to remove arsenic, ammonia and cyanide.

Also, do your lawyers recommend marketing bho to people with compromised immune systems? If you wanna get stoners more fucked up, great. But call it what it is.
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Please share the link supporting that butane refining equipment is specifically marketed to remove arsenic, ammonia, and cyanide?

Skunk Pharm Research shares an R&D butane purification project with VICI Metronics, a major gas filter supplier, and has had had ongoing third party analysis of exactly what is the butane, and none of those have been an issue.

I've posted those results on various forums and our own site, if you would care to review actual facts. I did those tests to put substance into the discussions, to counter the claims by a CO2 extractor, attempting to poison the well against competitors.

The perpetrators of course refute the results from the state certified third party forensic lab, because it showed their allegations false, and began attempting character assassination, because their facts were inadequate to support their claims.

We don't market bho or any other cannabis products, and neither of our lawyers see reason for concern. Butane is relatively non toxic and what people do with the bho is their own adult decision.

Your immediate leap to our medical research firm, just wanting to get stoners more fucked up, and suggestion that I'm not telling it like it is, belies not only ignorance, but arrogance.

http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/
 
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deadgro

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Fadedawg said:
Please share the link supporting that butane refining equipment is specifically marketed to remove arsenic, ammonia, and cyanide?

Skunk Pharm Research shares an R&D butane purification project with VICI Metronics, a major gas filter supplier, and has had had ongoing third party analysis of exactly what is the butane, and none of those have been an issue.

I've posted those results on various forums and our own site, if you would care to review actual facts. I did those tests to put substance into the discussions, to counter the claims by a CO2 extractor, attempting to poison the well against competitors.

The perpetrators of course refute the results from the state certified third party forensic lab, because it showed their allegations false, and began attempting character assassination, because their facts were inadequate to support their claims.

We don't market bho or any other cannabis products, and neither of our lawyers see reason for concern. Butane is relatively non toxic and what people do with the bho is their own adult decision.

Your immediate leap to our medical research firm, just wanting to get stoners more fucked up, and suggestion that I'm not telling it like it is, belies not only ignorance, but arrogance.

http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/
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You call this scientific research!? Your backyard, outdoors, with pots and pans?



http://www.cianalytics.com/Compoundlist/Butaneimpurityanalysis.aspx

Give me a fucking break. Does your state certified forensics lab consider injestion of butane solvent safe?
 
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deadgro

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Also, what state is Skunk Pharm Research LLC registered in? I find it hard to believe they would allow a registration with 'pharm' in the name unless the business had proper licensure related to pharmacology.
 
Twitch

Twitch

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your an idiot, Oregon, and that is a mystery oil test... do you see any columns?? once again you should shut your mouth.
they can put what every they want in the name, they could put skunk meds for sick people, the name has nothing to do with what licenses you apply for your company..
 
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