Nutrient companies are stealing our / your money. Lets talk about it!

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chuck estevez said:
you keep believing that shit PK. You'll fight to the death to be right, Like I said, IRONY at it's best.
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My dude its not that I just believe it, I know it to be true for a fact. Theres been case studies, lab tested and scholarly articles written on it with scientific evidence, u cant argue w that.

Anytime someone wants to argue about overpaying for bottled nutrients from big companies says ooh i can grow w dog piss and water, and my answer is so go do it and lemme see ur results. Its non sense, u pay for what u get.

U cant grow w dog piss and water or everyone would do it. Same way as anyone can grow with nutrients, yah u can. But if u buyhigher quality nutrients u get better results. Companies spend millions per year doing R&D to make the best market lesding products. Why wud they do that if they cud use cheap ass shit like some other companies. Bcuz people r cheap and dont know any better. Im here to tell em why lol
 
You don't always get what you pay for. A marketing department might say otherwise. lol

At the end of the day all they want is your cash. They'll throw up a graph, write a paper, whatever is needed to get your dollar. They are not objective.

If they could sell you water, they would
 
Well that is just it i chuckle sometimes when threads like this, or others. Organics vs chem or DWC it always ends up in a cluster fuck :)
Phil being such a avid organic buffer lol would you have any soil analysis on required amendments ?? or you just winging it ??? on your soils ??? going with the flo on what others use or do :)
i use salts for a reason and that reason is growth ,yield if anyone was to do a side by side same strain clone one in organic and one using chem and then look at the difference 2 weeks later its a no brainer which one would be probably twice as big and that really equates to efficiency specially when power consumption is used

Phil for you some nice chem fed buds nice n frsoty
 

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The other ironic shit on here is, guys like Phil come on here and tlk all kinds of non sense, while I come on explain everything im saying clearly and back my shit up with proof. Im the only one posting oics of my gardens and flowers and he aint produce anything but wants to talk shit, thats ironic.

So until someone wanna come on here and prove me wring imma kp marching while i best the drums and kp it moving.
 
Rrog said:
You don't always get what you pay for. A marketing department might say otherwise. lol

At the end of the day all they want is your cash. They'll throw up a graph, write a paper, whatever is needed to get your dollar. They are not objective.

If they could sell you water, they would
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But then you wud be a fool if u tried it and continued to use it right? Thats why my point is i been doing this for a decade plus. I only tlk about what I know from MY OWN EXPERIENCE.

u see my pics w my nutrients laying on the floor in my room. Im not on here saying i use shit that I dont. I tell u that i run AN Nutrients and I do. I dont just listen to other ppl and say oh such and such is marketing bs and its garbage. I go out and try the shit and i dont listen to anyone whether its a company or someone else.

Its like when they first came out w Atami BloomBastic used to be called "Bling Bling" people said how bad bling bling was and it was bs but were raving about Bloom Bastic. Its the swme fuckin product. Ghey relabeled it bcuz of restrictions by states on labeling and ingredients. That why diff states have diff things listed on their bottles. They all the same but diff places want u to write down diff shit. I just think its funny that ppl dont think for themselves. They take other ppl words for shit and go and repeat it.

If i listened to what everyone ever told me about growing and never did shit for myself id still be an amateur barely getting 1 lb. per light. If i listened to everyone who told me AN & Canna was a waist of money Id never be pulling down 2+ a light getting top dollar for my shit and id still be using gh bubble packs to grow and fox farm ocean forest. Thats my point i dont like ppl who repeat and dick ride when they aint enver done any of the shit for themselves but wanna tell me what im doing.
 
Darth Vapour said:
Well that is just it i chuckle sometimes when threads like this, or others. Organics vs chem or DWC it always ends up in a cluster fuck :)
Phil being such a avid organic buffer lol would you have any soil analysis on required amendments ?? or you just winging it ??? on your soils ??? going with the flo on what others use or do :)
i use salts for a reason and that reason is growth ,yield if anyone was to do a side by side same strain clone one in organic and one using chem and then look at the difference 2 weeks later its a no brainer which one would be probably twice as big and that really equates to efficiency specially when power consumption is used

Phil for you some nice chem fed buds nice n frsoty
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Thats why i said before and im sure u will agree. Organic growing is for personal users w small grows. If ur growing to grow for profit or for dispnesaries noone is doing all organic grows. It doesnt compete. Synthetic and organic blends are best way to grow, u need yield and quality. Thats why i stick to AN and Canna. They r both proprietary blends of organic and synthetic derived nutrients and outperform almost anyother company on market. And i know bcuz ive used almost eveyone of them multiple times. On all diff types of mediums.
 
Darth Vapour said:
Well that is just it i chuckle sometimes when threads like this, or others. Organics vs chem or DWC it always ends up in a cluster fuck :)
Phil being such a avid organic buffer lol would you have any soil analysis on required amendments ?? or you just winging it ??? on your soils ??? going with the flo on what others use or do :)
i use salts for a reason and that reason is growth ,yield if anyone was to do a side by side same strain clone one in organic and one using chem and then look at the difference 2 weeks later its a no brainer which one would be probably twice as big and that really equates to efficiency specially when power consumption is used

Phil for you some nice chem fed buds nice n frsoty
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What is that a widow strain? Looks exacty like the white berry i used to do few years back.
 
Rrog said:
You don't always get what you pay for. A marketing department might say otherwise. lol

At the end of the day all they want is your cash. They'll throw up a graph, write a paper, whatever is needed to get your dollar. They are not objective.

If they could sell you water, they would
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Oh but in the case of water bottles nutrients, THEY DO.
 
Most people are strongly influenced by marketing. They are also generally looking to be comfortable with their purchase, reducing potential "buyer's remorse." So they might even talk about their great purchase online, which of course emboldens more people to buy. It's the goal of every marketing department.

Millions of people avoided cholesterol for decades, why?

Not saying this is happening to anyone here, however it would explain why folks continue to do what they do.
 
ttystikk said:
Oh but in the case of water bottles nutrients, THEY DO.
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You are correct that is why growers need to do some home work both ends organic / chem and also forums like this looking for which growers using what kind of nutrients and issues they have picking an choosing what most are having success with like ordering bacteria for 20 bucks for organics when you can go to home depot / Rona and buy same shit for half the price with more bacteria for septic systems if you catch my drift
 
Darth Vapour said:
like ordering bacteria for 20 bucks for organics when you can go to home depot / Rona and buy same shit with more bacteria for septic systems if you catch my drift
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This is part of the larger illusion. Dumping microbes into an environment doesn't mean anything. The air is already full of all the microbes needed. The issue is they won't do what you want once they're dumped.
 
Rrog said:
Most people are strongly influenced by marketing. They are also generally looking to be comfortable with their purchase, reducing potential "buyer's remorse." So they might even talk about their great purchase online, which of course emboldens more people to buy. It's the goal of every marketing department.

Millions of people avoided cholesterol for decades, why?

Not saying this is happening to anyone here, however it would explain why folks continue to do what they do.
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Its called brain washing its been done for decades
 
it can blind a person. Look at all the brainwashed cops. They will never come to believe we're not evil and don't deserve a beating. It's hard to correct this sort of thing.
 
Rrog said:
You don't always get what you pay for. A marketing department might say otherwise. lol

At the end of the day all they want is your cash. They'll throw up a graph, write a paper, whatever is needed to get your dollar. They are not objective.

If they could sell you water, they would
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Haha, mighty wash comes to mind as I just learned its an $80 bottle of soap and water lol

But I gotta take the middle ground here... nobody is getting the same results with dynagro as they are with canna
 
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