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Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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Flaming Pie said:
I am very adverse to change unless I completely understand the change.

I have tried looking into organic mixes and teas and all that. Alot to read up on. Mad hamish suggested I make a lacto spray at one point and all the storing and extracting the right bits for the spray.... just too much to go wrong for clumsy me.

I am happy with my maxi series tho. I don't have the space to mix up large batches and I don't want to be inhaling powders and all that.

Plus then I have to use distilled water or remember to put my water out to evaporate shit... just too much for a scatterbrained mom. lol

If I were to ever grow outdoors I would definitely go organic.
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We will convert you yet muahahahahahaha... all you need to really understand about organics is a very few basic things: a- In nature, Pure Nutrients do not feed plants, micro organisms do. And b- The plant controls soil life as long as you allow it. This boils down to a plant will grow itself perfectly every time if you allow it to ;) In order for the plant to take control, you simply get structure of substrate and humic material up to par. No Ph buffers nothing. I will throw up some pics and info on my process, I am starting a new soil batch some time soon out of boredom... Been recycling my soil for I think about eight generations now and it keeps just getting better. It is incredibly fluffy yet spongy and light and it smells fantastic yum yum yum
 
Flaming Pie

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Mad Hamish said:
We will convert you yet muahahahahahaha... all you need to really understand about organics is a very few basic things: a- In nature, Pure Nutrients do not feed plants, micro organisms do. And b- The plant controls soil life as long as you allow it. This boils down to a plant will grow itself perfectly every time if you allow it to ;) In order for the plant to take control, you simply get structure of substrate and humic material up to par. No Ph buffers nothing. I will throw up some pics and info on my process, I am starting a new soil batch some time soon out of boredom... Been recycling my soil for I think about eight generations now and it keeps just getting better...
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Maybe one day. lol.

I get overwhelmed easily. Anxiety and all that.

It still is something that takes alot of space to mix properly. That also creates alot of dust. Carpet and a computer downstairs. soooo...
 
Yodaweed

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Flaming Pie said:
Maybe one day. lol.

I get overwhelmed easily. Anxiety and all that.

It still is something that takes alot of space to mix properly. That also creates alot of dust. Carpet and a computer downstairs. soooo...
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The end product is worth it, to me there is 2 types of buds, chemical buds and organic buds, huge difference in taste, quality, smoke, even the ash is different.
 
Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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Flaming Pie said:
Maybe one day. lol.

I get overwhelmed easily. Anxiety and all that.

It still is something that takes alot of space to mix properly. That also creates alot of dust. Carpet and a computer downstairs. soooo...
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Funny thing is you use promix... take two parts pro mix and one part worm castings, mix them up and you have a fine organic mix I will flower anything in with a minimal cooking time too. My base mix is one third perlite, peat, and compost each, with very little in the line of amendments, some gypsum and oyster shell and actually that is it. I make my own compost though, that shit is where all my time and effort goes. Humic material is a biggie...
 
Flaming Pie

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Mad Hamish said:
Funny thing is you use promix... take two parts pro mix and one part worm castings, mix them up and you have a fine organic mix I will flower anything in with a minimal cooking time too. My base mix is one third perlite, peat, and compost each, with very little in the line of amendments, some gypsum and oyster shell and actually that is it. I make my own compost though, that shit is where all my time and effort goes. Humic material is a biggie...
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I found that mixing that much EWC in with my promix made it retain water WAAAAAY too long and take FOREVER to drain. I go light with the EWC now. I fill a 30 gallon tote with promix and put about 2 inches or so of EWC then mix. I like it much better this way. It works out to be 6-8 heaping cups.

I have much respect for organics. It is what nature intended.

I also believe with the proper research and dosage, maxi series and ph up can deliver everything the plant needs. Little bit of green cure once a week is a short cut lacto spray (lactobacillus creates a high ph environment and that is what kills the molds and mildews). The EWC is just to help with some trace nutrients that may be lacking and to help the good bacteria fend off the bad bacteria.

My ash is white, my smoke is smooth and tasty.

If I ever get the chance to smoke with genuity I may change a few things up.

Any changes I make are going to be gradual and slow. And only if I think they are necessary.
 
Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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Flaming Pie said:
I found that mixing that much EWC in with my promix made it retain water WAAAAAY too long and take FOREVER to drain. I go light with the EWC now. I fill a 30 gallon tote with promix and put about 2 inches or so of EWC then mix. I like it much better this way. It works out to be 6-8 heaping cups.

I have much respect for organics. It is what nature intended.

I also believe with the proper research and dosage, maxi series and ph up can deliver everything the plant needs. Little bit of green cure once a week is a short cut lacto spray (lactobacillus creates a high ph environment and that is what kills the molds and mildews). The EWC is just to help with some trace nutrients that may be lacking and to help the good bacteria fend off the bad bacteria.

My ash is white, my smoke is smooth and tasty.

If I ever get the chance to smoke with genuity I may change a few things up.

Any changes I make are going to be gradual and slow. And only if I think they are necessary.
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As long as you have a mild interest in it it is great. I in no way believe in the superiority of one method above another either. I personally have played with pretty much every tek and like you say it is all about baby steps. I didn't just do a room full of DWC I first made one small bucket. Same with NFT. Only ebb and flow did I go big from day one lol no choice there really. Big reason for me staying LOS is the amount of time that has freed up going organic. If I had to put blumats in my rig I would literally have almost nothing to do and maybe even get sad because of it. No more pH'ing, mixing nutes, calculations and logs to tweak calculations, and this huge safety buffer hydro didn't give me. Not pushing anybody into it, but it is definitely worth a dabble if ever the urge strikes you. And of course any info you need will be here EDIT: nothing beats the freedom of being off bottles. It is a huge relief ;)
 
BDOGKush

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Flaming Pie said:
Maybe one day. lol.

I get overwhelmed easily. Anxiety and all that.

It still is something that takes alot of space to mix properly. That also creates alot of dust. Carpet and a computer downstairs. soooo...
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I feel the same way as you about organics. On one hand I'm interested in it, on the other I'm overwhelmed by it. It's hard to change your growing method once you get used to what you know works for you.
 
Mr.Head

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I hear the Build a soil site is a great resource and he sells kits and shit which takes some of the guess work out.

If you have any interest I'd look there and a few organic gardening sites, the organic section here is pretty good too. it's where I did my learnin :) No fancy books just some nice folks, many that now argue in this thread :) Wish Gandalf would come back and drop some pics of what he's been up to.

The tea thread and seeing what people were doing with just some compost in some bubbled water is what really got me into it :) Thread was great until it got nuked by the site rework.
 
the gnome

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Flaming Pie said:
Does that one smell like grapes? The girl I had that looked like that was said to. E a grapestomper leaner and was the most potent and most over the top grape candy smell.
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yup, this is a GS leaner, the GS leaners have that look along with the smell,
lol... over the top describes the grape stompers pretty much to a T :D
 
Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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Mr.Head said:
I hear the Build a soil site is a great resource and he sells kits and shit which takes some of the guess work out.

If you have any interest I'd look there and a few organic gardening sites, the organic section here is pretty good too. it's where I did my learnin :) No fancy books just some nice folks, many that now argue in this thread :) Wish Gandalf would come back and drop some pics of what he's been up to.

The tea thread and seeing what people were doing with just some compost in some bubbled water is what really got me into it :) Thread was great until it got nuked by the site rework.
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Pretty much the only reason I still hang around on RIU is waiting to see if the God of Ganja @GandalfdaGreen ever shows up again. Same here, the tea thread changed my life. Was an amazing experience.
 
giggles26

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Man ever switching to organics was the best choice I ever made and I'll never go back. I think people tend to over complicate shit when they try to switch.

Peat,perlite,some type of compost and you have a base. You could use that the whole way through and get some EWC,alfalfa,guano and make teas and feed.

I'm like Ham I recycle and it's only getting better with time.
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