Obama bans military equipment for police forces

Padawanbater2

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"Last summer, the nation watched in disbelief as the police department of a town of 21,000 people cracked down on protests using armored vehicles, assault rifles, and other equipment meant for war zones. The public got a good long look at police militarization in Ferguson, and we got our first real debate about the federal program that sends billions of dollars of surplus military equipment to local police.

Today, the White House announced that “grenade launchers, tracked armored vehicles, armed aircraft, bayonets, and guns and ammunition of .50 caliber or higher”, as well as camouflage military uniforms, would no longer be available to police through the Pentagon’s 1033 Program. While states like Montana have taken steps to rein in what police can get their hands on, this is the first significant national reform to stop the flow of war gear to police.

The administration’s report on police militarization concluded:

There is a “substantial risk of misusing or overusing these items,” which “could significantly undermine community trust” . . .

Other federally supplied equipment, such as wheeled armored vehicles, drones, helicopters, firearms and riot gear, will come with new strings attached for local police to ensure officers are trained in their use and in “community policing, constitutional policing and community input.”

Police must provide a “clear and persuasive explanation” for the need of the equipment and get approval from their local government.

In addition, police departments must agree to federal oversight and auditing of the equipment’s use. Over 150 departments have been suspended from the program for losing track of weapons given to them by the Pentagon.

The new rules stipulate that police must collect and report data whenever military equipment is used in a "significant incident."

In addition to blocking the distribution of equipment like grenade launchers from the Pentagon’s 1033 Program, NPR reports that the new rules also ban police from using federal funding or grants to purchase prohibited weapons and vehicles. This is a huge decision in seriously reversing militarization. As Radley Balko points out, most military-style gear going to police now is not coming from the Pentagon but is being purchased with Homeland Security grants.

The Associated Press also reports, “The federal government also is exploring ways to recall prohibited equipment already distributed.”

President Obama plans to give a speech outlining these and other reforms in Camden, NJ, later this afternoon.

The City of Camden abolished its corrupt and ineffective police force in 2012, replacing it with a county-run agency that eliminated the police union’s sweetheart contract and focused on closing cases, rebuilding trust with the community, and putting cops on the street (as well as some more troubling surveillance practices). But the bottom line is that the reforms worked: violent crime is way, way down since the new strategy was implemented.

Read the rest of the White House report here, as well as more coverage of police militarization from yours truly in the Freeman."

http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/detail/obama-stops-tanks-bayonets-grenade-launchers-to-local-cops


Let the spin begin
 

Padawanbater2

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I'm on the fence on this one.
It seems the OP might have been a bit premature, upon more research the devil is in the details. For example, your standard police variant grenade launcher measures in at 37mm and the "ban on grenade launchers" as detailed by the report is 40mm and up effectively allowing police to continue carrying their standard issue grenade (tear gas) launcher. Similar thing with the ban on "machine guns", as fully automatic assault rifles police carry (M4/AR15) are not technically "machine guns"...

So this might all just be PR bullshit designed to make people think changes are going to be made. I'm going to keep an eye on this story and update this thread accordingly
 

see4

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I'm on the fence about this. Guns are not a bad thing when in the right hands. Unfortunately, too many we think have the right hands and own guns are the ones murdering people.
 

NewtoMJ

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It seems the OP might have been a bit premature, upon more research the devil is in the details. For example, your standard police variant grenade launcher measures in at 37mm and the "ban on grenade launchers" as detailed by the report is 40mm and up effectively allowing police to continue carrying their standard issue grenade (tear gas) launcher. Similar thing with the ban on "machine guns", as fully automatic assault rifles police carry (M4/AR15) are not technically "machine guns"...

So this might all just be PR bullshit designed to make people think changes are going to be made. I'm going to keep an eye on this story and update this thread accordingly
It also bans track driven vehicles. Automatic rifles are pointless, in 3 tours I never once flipped my regulator to auto.
 

stinkyjoe

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its better safe than sorry

the enemy has many dangerous weapons


there's a weapon for every situation, im pretty sure the police arnt going to a house knife domestic with a barrage of tanks right ?

its better safe than sorry .
 

Padawanbater2

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The OP? You were the OP, you dolt.
Yeah, the 'original post' might have been a bit premature. In other words, valid evidence surfaced in light of the thread that I posted that conflicts/contradicts or changes what was originally posted, so I felt I should update the thread like any honest reporter/journalist/poster would.

The proceeding posts highlight the posters that wouldn't, and that you should therefore, from here on out, dismiss their opinions as pure bullshit (thanks for outing yourselves as partisan hacks, guys! LOL!). It's pretty clear they only care about their preconceived opinions being propagated, not what's actually the truth..
 

stinkyjoe

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Yeah, the 'original post' might have been a bit premature. In other words, valid evidence surfaced in light of the thread that I posted that conflicts/contradicts or changes what was originally posted, so I felt I should update the thread like any honest reporter/journalist/poster would.

The proceeding posts highlight the posters that wouldn't, and that you should therefore, from here on out, dismiss their opinions as pure bullshit (thanks for outing yourselves as partisan hacks, guys! LOL!). It's pretty clear they only care about their preconceived opinions being propagated, not what's actually the truth..
total bullshit
 

Rob Roy

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Thank Fuck there is some common sense in DC, now can some tell all the other leaders of the world this...?

There is no common sense in D.C. , you clearly have stage IV marijuana psychosis. You should immediately send all your marijuana to me for safekeeping. Yes, even the little jar of roaches in the back of that hidden drawer. I'm sorry,but it's for your own good.
 

desert dude

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It seems the OP might have been a bit premature, upon more research the devil is in the details. For example, your standard police variant grenade launcher measures in at 37mm and the "ban on grenade launchers" as detailed by the report is 40mm and up effectively allowing police to continue carrying their standard issue grenade (tear gas) launcher. Similar thing with the ban on "machine guns", as fully automatic assault rifles police carry (M4/AR15) are not technically "machine guns"...

So this might all just be PR bullshit designed to make people think changes are going to be made. I'm going to keep an eye on this story and update this thread accordingly
How is an M4 not a machine gun? It fires full auto.

AR15 <> M4.
 

see4

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M4/AR15 in full auto is a machine gun, according to BATF.

Submachine guns are full auto guns that shoot pistol caliber rounds, where machine guns are generally full auto high caliber rounds. And believe it or not, there are such things as auto cannons, full auto grenade launchers. Wtf are those for? Jesus.

I could be wrong, but that's how I learned it.
 
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