Clone questions?!?!?!

Cookie_rookie

Cookie_rookie

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image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg Cut 3 days ago
Been keeping em in a
humidity dome with the vents closed today I opened em (no change in perkiness)
Ive Misting them 2X a day once in the morning once at night
It's pretty warm in my house
About 85 most of the time

The method I used clone them was soaked the rockwool overnight in 5.4 phd water, I then shook 60% 70% of the water out of the cubes,
Cut the clones off the mother, lightly shaved the stem on some and put slices on the stem of the others, I then dipped them in root tech cloning jel for 20 roughly seconds and put em in the cubes...

My question or questions are why are they sagging down so much?
Will they still root? the color looks the same...
 

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70's natureboy

70's natureboy

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They aren't happy but they aren't dead yet. I don't really know what to do at this point but I will add a couple tips that I do. I always let my clones sit in a cup of water for 1-2 days then put them in jiffy pellets or a clone machine. Rockwool is a little trickier. When I have the jiffy pellets or rockwools in a tray under a dome I never mist them (maybe once and that's it). If they look dry I will pour a little water in the bottom of the tray to fill the ridges and the humidity will come from that. I don't want to tell you not to mist them because it appears they may need it, just not sure. I quit using rockwool a long time ago because I find it is easier with jiffy pels and even easier with a Clone King.
 
taGyo

taGyo

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I think you need to cut the ends (tips of the leaves) to promote rooting and add a cover to trap humidity. Plants give off water through their cell membranes. They "sweat" so having a higher humidity prevents that sweating.
 
DirtyMcCurdy

DirtyMcCurdy

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You cut them too big. They have no root system yet and they cannot support that amount of growth. Leaves that big need roots. You cut the tips off the leaves for this reason, to slow the transpiration process. The same reason you want the humidity dome, is the same reason for taking smaller cuttings and trimming leaf tips, to keep moisture in the plant till it can get a root system to pull in more.
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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When you clone you are going to want to cut and put it in a cup of water asap.. finish the clone as fast as possible....you're doing everything to slow. . Soaking for that long is retarded 25 minutes is fine. After you cut finish.it fast.. 20 seconds in goop is also retarded.. One quick dip will do
 
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bluerock

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Why are shaking out the water? The whole point of rockwool is that it it can't be overwatered. I don't prefer the wrapped cubes for cloning, but they should work, just might take longer. Next time, skip the goop and stem prep. Use a toothpick to wally out a hole in the cubes, cut the branch, and stick directly in the cube, quickly.

As for your current problem, I'd give them a blast at the cube with a turkey baster of pH adjusted water / light nutrient solution. Crack those vents as well and ditch the misting. A little condensation on the walls of the dome is OK, but if it gets excessive, open the vents more to lower it.

85F is a bit hot. Keep in mind that those particular clones may start yellowing out before they root. Ignore it and be patient. They'll recover just fine once rooted.

Edit: Cut the wraps off, that would be better. The only reason I have ever found for cutting the leaves, is if you are cramming a lot of clones in the tray, it is best to avoid overlapping leaves. If you are using pH down to adjust, that in itself constitutes a light nutrient solution. If I add anything else, it is maybe a 1/8-1/4 tsp of maxigrow per 4 gallons solution. That may not be needed, it is just habit.
 
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Cookie_rookie

Cookie_rookie

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Thank you everyone I hope they live... You guys think not prepping the stem is better ?

No shave, slices , splitting or any of that ?
 
researching

researching

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Some good advice here. You have too many leaves on your clones. Remove those below the first couple nodes and then only have one leaf per node. Trim the tips of all leaves except the very small ones. Mist and place under a dome under 24 hours of light. Remove dome twice a day to replace air. Mist plants and dome once to twice a day.

As for the cutting process, Locate what clones you want and have a glass of water nearby. I like to add a little cloning solution to the water. Remove leaves you don't need before cutting off clone. Scrape plant at the node you will be cutting just below of. Cut at an angle and immediately place in water. Take all your cuts and place in water. Then with cubes or whatever you are using already ready, dip your cut in rooting gel to cover scrapes and cut. Place in your cube and insert so the node that you cut below is inserted into the cube. Roots are likely to come out of there too. Et Voila!

Also, no nutes are needed for clones. Some like supethrive. I use a cloning solution that is basically IBA, and superthrive. It's optional.

Also, the reason speed matters when cutting clones is that when you cut, if you take too long it can suck up some air and the clone is basically doomed.
 
Yekke

Yekke

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I just cut diagonaly, put in a cup of water, cut the leaves at the middle, dip quickly in a rooting agent, shake off the excess and put in the cube.
The cubes should be 80% field capacity, you can definitely have them too wet. Nutes up to 300 mS, but not mandatory.
Cubes lay in the dome with the vents open full from day 1 and water replenished as needed by bottom feeding.

Work as clean as possible.
 
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bluerock

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Cookie_rookie said:
Thank you everyone I hope they live... You guys think not prepping the stem is better ?

No shave, slices , splitting or any of that ?
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That's right. I do cut them at a 45 degree angle to give them a point, but it isn't really necessary. The key to the rockwool is making a new hole with a toothpick. That way, you are guaranteed to have good contact between the rockwool substrate and the stem. Way back when, I was in need of clone mass production so I tested all the goops, putting in water when cutting, stem mods, etc. The best results were obtained by simply cutting and sticking the clone in the pre-soaked, pH adjusted rockwool cubes. 100% success, each time, every time. I never cut the leaves unless the clones are really crammed in the tray...or I want to use cut leaves as a simple identification system.
 
Don Geno

Don Geno

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Ive been hearing from the emerald cup talks that rooting gel allows the plant to eat itself to create roots is there a trick on keeping your plants lush green throughout the whole process or a way of rooting uts in a less stressful manner?
 
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