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Subcools Revised SuperSoil?

Kind Sir

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Im taking the jump into organics, I believe it could be a lot of fun. I have been scowering the internet looking at supersoil recipes and general organic growing tips.

Is subcools revised supersoil a good one? I want to make a water only soil\ occasional teas. I am having trouble finding anything local, so I must order it online.

This grow will start at the beginning of fall, I was debating on doing a SCRoG on a purple strain. I hear alot about granddaddy purp. Im ordering from herbiesnas I trust them,
 

Kind Sir

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All you need do is browse this forum and look for soil recipes. There are a ton as good and much better than sub's recipe IMHO.
I said I have been looking at many different recipes. They all are pretty similar. Just wanted some personal experiences with recipes.

What do you use?
 

Smidge34

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The old tried and true base soil of one part peat, one part ewc and one part perlite. I use a cup of agricultural lime per cubic ft of soil. This base is what I use for seedlings and newly rooted clones. To each cubic ft of the base I add 3 cups total of blood meal, bone meal, alfalfa meal, soft rock phosphate and oyster flour, 3-4 cups of rock dusts, wet it down thoroughly and then let it cook 1-2 months.

If you can source it, the gold standard around here as far as amendments are different from what I use. A better mix of amendments would be kelp meal, alfalfa meal, neem meal and crabshell meal.
 

Kind Sir

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The old tried and true base soil of one part peat, one part ewc and one part perlite. I use a cup of agricultural lime per cubic ft of soil. This base is what I use for seedlings and newly rooted clones. To each cubic ft of the base I add 3 cups total of blood meal, bone meal, alfalfa meal, soft rock phosphate and oyster flour, 3-4 cups of rock dusts, wet it down thoroughly and then let it cook 1-2 months.

If you can source it, the gold standard around here as far as amendments are different from what I use. A better mix of amendments would be kelp meal, alfalfa meal, neem meal and crabshell meal.
Yes, it seems most recipes have what you mentioned. Seems like some have a couple more ingredients, are those n3cessary?


Ive seen most have guanos and worm casing?
 

Kind Sir

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I also read about blood and bone meal being undesireable ingredients now that I think about it. I bet your plants are better than mine, Im just trying to figure out what im going to get.

Youve obviously had success with your recipe. Id rather only buy the few items you listed, would it be beneficial to have a wider range of amendments (I was upset when I initially saw the list of a supersoil recipe. It was like 12 ingredients deep!


Your opinion?
 

greasemonkeymann

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It's a lot like your diet, the broader you source your nutrients from, generally the better of the end product will be.
that is a generalized statement. keep that in mind...
you could grow damn good herb using very, very little nutrients and ingredients, if it was needed.
I knew a fellow that used nothing but compost, vermiculite, his own urine for nitrogen, and alpaca manure.
That's it, he had some damn good smoke, and it always was great to smoke, granted he knew how to cure well.
And granted he was a seasoned veteran. Point is, it's not really that hard.
You can also get the pre-mixed nutrients.
If I were to pick the bare minimum, i'd go with Fish bone meal, shrimp or crab meal, and kelp meal.
But i'd still want my alfalfa, insect, neem, etc, etc
 

MustangStudFarm

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SuperSoil=Subcool`s marketing ploy for begginers. Real organics takes a library card... I started with SS, it got me interested. Then I met people like greasemonkey, someone willing to explain things and have a mix that I am still striving for. SS is a ploy and he wants you to buy Roots soil and not to recycle! Why does subcool tell you not to recycle unless he is getting something from Roots?

I as a weed nerd until the Heros of the Farm started breeding for him. I bought a pack of vortex before and after, and before was way cool and after was way lame! It was about the time his new line came out. Dont get organic and SuperSoil mixed up lol. You will go broke buying NEW soil every round!
I think GreaseMonkey is only on during weekdays. He gives his mix so often that he should just have it in his sig lol.
 

Kind Sir

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On youtube, subcool said that he got the recipe from someone else and made minor changes to it..
Ok I understand. Im trying to do this to also try to save a little money, cant be getting dooped!!

Ive read a lot on organics, so many different recipes. Think Im getting off on the wrong foot when it comes to organics.

May I ask what you use and important factors youve learned?
 

MistaRasta

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I wouldn't go the "super soil" route. Not very economical imo..

You're going the organic route which means you should definitely recycle your mix. Wether it's Vic highs mix or one you made up rip up the root ball and reuse. I use a mix that I actually just dialed in, wasn't using enough nutrients or minerals. So make sure your inputs are all there.

This mix grows my plants ten times faster than subs soil. I used to veg twice as long until I made the switch. Good luck

1/3 peat
1/3 compost
1/3 pumice/lava rock

To every 1 cuft of soil add:
2 cups kelp meal
2 cups neem meal
2 cups crab meal
Optional:
1 cup alfalfa meal (I use in teas)
1/2 cup fish bone meal (sparingly)

4 cups minerals per cuft:
Oyster shell flower
Glacial rock dust
Gypsum
Basalt (if you can source it)
 

MistaRasta

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SuperSoil=Subcool`s marketing ploy for begginers. Real organics takes a library card... I started with SS, it got me interested. Then I met people like greasemonkey, someone willing to explain things and have a mix that I am still striving for. SS is a ploy and he wants you to buy Roots soil and not to recycle! Why does subcool tell you not to recycle unless he is getting something from Roots?

I as a weed nerd until the Heros of the Farm started breeding for him. I bought a pack of vortex before and after, and before was way cool and after was way lame! It was about the time his new line came out. Dont get organic and SuperSoil mixed up lol. You will go broke buying NEW soil every round!
I think GreaseMonkey is only on during weekdays. He gives his mix so often that he should just have it in his sig lol.
WORD.
 

greasemonkeymann

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Important stuff that i learned, lol. Listen to GreaseMonkey!
man you guys are so kind, i appreciate the nice words, a lot of my recipe was inadvertently based on coots recipe, I am learning almost everyday, in fact my "recipe" has gone thorough a lil tweaking, it's all basicly the same, only now I simply mix it all up with the leaves in my compost pile, let it melt for like 6 months or so...wish I would have discovered this earlier. COMPLETELY full of redworms and such.
It's the best stuff ever, I can topdress with just my compost and it literally made my roses, lavender, jasmines, and clerodendrons flower like crazy, nice deep green growth, bright aromatic flowers< it's like the cure-all for plants, I even topdresed a tiny-ass comfrey cutting that was getting a light green, and within a week it was growing fast and a darker green.
The key for me, was using a good nitrogen input for the composting, I used alfalfa meals, alfalfa itself, green cannabis leaves, and leftover high nitrogen guano.
Wasn't scientific, I layered it, sprinkle-style, on top of about an inch and a half of shredded leaves (or about 3 inches if they are whole) I also layered slow release amendments as well, langbeinite, fish bone meal, greensand, crab/shrimp meals, neem meal, kelp meal. Also fresh bullkelp from the beach. Some unfortunate mice that kept shitting on my eating utensils (RIP lil fuckers), my dog's hair, beard shavings... (I know i'm a kooky bastard)
do that all lasagna-like, until your pile is about at least 2-3 feet high, trust me it'll melt down t like a 15th of the size.
I can also see if I can dig up my old soil recipe also, as it's the same amendments wise, just this composting +nutrients works SO damn well, I won't go back to amending the final mix, seems like an extra pointless step.
Pretty soon i'll be growing in NOTHING but compost and aeration. Granted the compost is amended, but point is no coco or peat.
The pure humus is insane, after it's sifted and filtered it's as soft as a pillow, and as black as ink.
I feel it's important to add that i'm doing it this way NOT because i'm eco-friendly or concerned about peat bogs and such (which sure, I sorta am, but it's not the reason) the reason is simply in the 25+ yrs of growing, I've NEVER seen such a kick-ass amendment to use for growing, works remarkably well, so simple, and yet kinda sorta complicated.
I can germinate seeds in it, while it's still rich enough to run beginning to end, with nothing added, occasionally I may add shredded comfrey but typically no teas, other than my normal SSTs and coco water.
haven't done any nutrient teas in a while now.
honestly have gotten away from my AACTs also, I think the compost is so insanely healthy not sure the added microbes are beneficial anymore.
Could be wrong... either way, the only teas I do are the SSTs. Don't really count the cocowater.
I still have some leftover comfrey/dandelion ferment that i'm slowly using... but I use that more on my roses, jasmines, lavender, etc.
I'll see if I can find my soil recipe somewhere, if not I can probably go off memory..
scary endeavor for any stoner though..
 
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