MH all the way
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ttystikk
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Quite so. I'd be totally lost growing one!
innerG
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Nope :/What you do now is my plan next. Was there an evolution you care to share? And hopefully a revelation.
I just set it up that way from the get-go based on what I knew beforehand.
bravedave
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Beautiful. 28 days you say? Amazing. 2 grows every year of mine can dial in any temp I want. No AC in the room so summer grows I am just trying to keep it in the 70s with lights on at night. Whats the low temp you look for?
Darth Vapour
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yup 28 days have chopped this strain pure power plant as early as 43 days usually 48 - 52 days have grown this strain now for almost 3 years non stop and found running temps in in mid to high 80's appears to work best , as for dropping temps have dropped them near freezing last couple of days but normally have dropped temps weekly starting 3rd week till final week lights off low 60's
Alexander Supertramp
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IMHO. If you think MH is better in a flower room than HPS. I have tried both and HPS Blows the MH Away, I had 2 600 mh and they worked but the bud was not nearly as big and potent as the HPS dd, I have tried everything over the past 20 years, CFLs, 1000s watt HPS, LEDs. and IMO the 600 watt hps work the best, I would like to say that I have used both in my bud room a few times MH and HPS and the buds were harder more dense but the potency just seemed to drop a bit, the last few weeks under the HPS tell the story. Good Luck and this is just My Opinion.
good luck this is all in ( MOO) My Own Opinion
I have 11 new 400 CMH. Wish I had bought more when they stopped production, great bulbs. Especially when paired with a 600 Hortilux HPS.
Alexander Supertramp
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UV supplement is a slippery slope. Too much can be counterproductive. Too little and its a waste of time. Use just enough and bam!
Alexander Supertramp
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A flash bulb can make any plant look frosty.And its not about how much frosting thats on the cake that makes it taste good. Its what in the frosting that makes the difference. And timely additions of both UVA and UVB can make a difference.
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Darth Vapour
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care to post your frosted flakes cause i can assure you the flash did not make them look frosty its genetics HPS grown 
cause i can assure you the flash did not make them look frosty its genetics HPS grown
bravedave
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Again, very nice. However while you can scour the internet for contrarian views and attempt a BMOC role here with them, most the volume you provide, albeit interesting, is superfluous to the singular point here of whether correct UV supplementation or inclusion enhances a grow. Feel free to beat your drum, but my predicament is one of seeing differences with my own eyes and reading 10-fold more opinions that have you a bit overwatered. In any case, my strains have shown and convinced me that they respond much more favorably to MH. Is it truly the UV? Can't say for sure...but I am going to do more convincing of myself one way or the other, next grow.care to post your frosted flakes
Ya know, I would swear I was reading a thread you were in trying to dominate with prolificacy about a month or so ago where you seemed to have trouble coming up with pictures to back up your tales. Now you have these glamour shots. Am I 'misremembering'? Glad you found them. Do these frosty strains have a name? Sorry, if you said it, I missed it.
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ttystikk
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Anyone have any opinions, good, bad or indifferent on this lamp? I've used Plantmax HPS thouie for years with fine results.
https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/88314/PX-MPS100010K.html
https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/88314/PX-MPS100010K.html
Darth Vapour
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Since the introduction to cheap skates worried about there power bill or getting flagged cause of power usage one has to remember its not the spectrum the plant is worried about its the amount of light the plant gets even LED tech has moved really away from the spectrum and have been working on penetration par flux ..
But the most important thing here is efficiency, That is the big word . used today and why everyone really has jumped the train
I mean if CMH is so great ????? why have they stopped making them and also so great then why is it not a stand alone fixture i have seen hundreds of CMH grows and its nothing special at all, IMO there saying 315 can go up against 600 watt i say good fucking luck on that one
i have used 400 watt MH shit i got 20,000 watts of it in a pile a single 400 watt mh is like watching paint dry when growing ..
only way 400's are good is when you double stack them vertical cause any other way there just plain weak .. now here is a great example of why MH in bloom as a stand alone fixture is not the answer is it produces more leaf thems are facts .
mixing the MH and hps together is a much better choice IMO then stand alone it may look great that your room looks more full of buds growing MH but once trimmed you will be saddened
here is a perfect example and there is no substitute to the actual SUN....
A forced flowered plant in middle of summer forced flowered @ 18.5 hrs of light in June getting same spectrums more or less as a MH and a shit load of leaf mass on the buds this is a perfect example of what MH does in flower as a stand alone fixture
I am not here nor care how or what you use for lighting the big GIG is getting as much light to any plant and a healthy plant proper nutrients at the right time and so on is going to give you the best possible yield and product 80 percent of the growers can not even take a plant to the end and keep it healthy but are so concerned about spectrum is just out right Funny your strain will only produce resin count what its genetics is capable of end of story..
Just because some of you might see wow i am seeing more resin or what ever you want to call it is not that the CMH produced it or UVB its just you are becoming a better grower and getting things more dialed in
i am just Finishing my land scape in my yard and will get on my all new grow room this fall 6300 watts of solar power using 1215 watt nano's and plasma's as supplementary lighting off grid power i will make sure to post updates and grow and promise to rock your world
But the most important thing here is efficiency, That is the big word . used today and why everyone really has jumped the train
I mean if CMH is so great ????? why have they stopped making them and also so great then why is it not a stand alone fixture i have seen hundreds of CMH grows and its nothing special at all, IMO there saying 315 can go up against 600 watt i say good fucking luck on that one
i have used 400 watt MH shit i got 20,000 watts of it in a pile a single 400 watt mh is like watching paint dry when growing ..
only way 400's are good is when you double stack them vertical cause any other way there just plain weak .. now here is a great example of why MH in bloom as a stand alone fixture is not the answer is it produces more leaf thems are facts .
mixing the MH and hps together is a much better choice IMO then stand alone it may look great that your room looks more full of buds growing MH but once trimmed you will be saddened
here is a perfect example and there is no substitute to the actual SUN....
A forced flowered plant in middle of summer forced flowered @ 18.5 hrs of light in June getting same spectrums more or less as a MH and a shit load of leaf mass on the buds this is a perfect example of what MH does in flower as a stand alone fixture
I am not here nor care how or what you use for lighting the big GIG is getting as much light to any plant and a healthy plant proper nutrients at the right time and so on is going to give you the best possible yield and product 80 percent of the growers can not even take a plant to the end and keep it healthy but are so concerned about spectrum is just out right Funny your strain will only produce resin count what its genetics is capable of end of story..
Just because some of you might see wow i am seeing more resin or what ever you want to call it is not that the CMH produced it or UVB its just you are becoming a better grower and getting things more dialed in
i am just Finishing my land scape in my yard and will get on my all new grow room this fall 6300 watts of solar power using 1215 watt nano's and plasma's as supplementary lighting off grid power i will make sure to post updates and grow and promise to rock your world
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Darth Vapour
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And also its one thing seeing a possible diference but unless you actually had the weed tested in a lab most of this rings hollow
TheChemist77
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i used plantmax bulbs for many years also, i have only good things to say.. the big grow op up here also uses plantmax bulbs, they switched over from hortilux last year and i was told yields are the same.. they change bulbs every 6 months and still save money, i guess the higher priced bulbs are not any better in terms of yield?
ttystikk
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First you say spectrum doesn't matter- and in the very next sentence you talk about PAR.
Then you say they discontinued CMH- but then talk about its replacement, the 315W version. BTW, the 860W is still in production, too.
You haven't made any convincing points here at all, you've just managed to contradict yourself. Often.
6ohMax
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Darth Vapour
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no i said i seen lots of cmh grows is the 315 cmh discontinued ?? and next question WHY ??? ASK YOUR SELF THAT .. if its suppose to be so great
when we look at par and what plants use at different times in there growth phases do we see actual UVB in the equation 280 - 315 nm i sure don't so with the millions of dollars spent by hordilux and other companies wouldn't you think that these companies would say oh yeah plants need this range also its very VERY important lol i do not see it and like fuck they would
But you do right ??? curious i asked you few posts back about the scientific data / test performed why have you not posted this yet ????
what about LED companies what are they striving on like most a wide spectrum is really what it is they don't give a shit about the low end of the spectrum not one bit you ever wonder why ???
you ever wonder why they use UV for sterilization in foods, hospitals its to kill germs and bacteria period does it really make sense to use it on plants again not one fucking bit all your doing is possibly damaging the plants DNA and making it a mutant ..
Plain n simple
So everyone wants to re invent the wheel by using UVB in there gardens lol
But the important thing here is that don’t address plants’ specific spectral needs are not tuned to effectively facilitate optimal growth. For photosynthesis, plants need light in very particular parts of the spectrum, between 400nm and 700nm. sure the hell not the UVB NM range of what 280 - 315
Furthermore, plants use different spectra for different life functions. For example, a plant in the seedling stage may utilize light in the 450nm (blue) range of the spectrum. However, as the plant transitions into a flowering phase, it relies more heavily on light in the 660nm (red) area of the spectrum. Grow lights that provide the right mix of these varying wavelengths will produce the most vigorous and fruitful plants in the shortest amount of time.
Isn't that what the goal is here to grow a plant as fast and in the short amount of time
If your plants get too many photons at shorter wavelengths — which tend to be hyper-energetic — cells and tissues can be damaged,
All of these factors means it’s critical to address your plants’ PAR needs to ensure they are receiving adequate light for the various stages of photosynthesis. Plants under lights that provide a high level of PAR, in the right wavelengths, are productive plants. its like comparing growth rated of a 1000 watt to a 150 watt HPS is there a difference ??
when we look at par and what plants use at different times in there growth phases do we see actual UVB in the equation 280 - 315 nm i sure don't so with the millions of dollars spent by hordilux and other companies wouldn't you think that these companies would say oh yeah plants need this range also its very VERY important lol i do not see it and like fuck they would
But you do right ??? curious i asked you few posts back about the scientific data / test performed why have you not posted this yet ????
what about LED companies what are they striving on like most a wide spectrum is really what it is they don't give a shit about the low end of the spectrum not one bit you ever wonder why ???
you ever wonder why they use UV for sterilization in foods, hospitals its to kill germs and bacteria period does it really make sense to use it on plants again not one fucking bit all your doing is possibly damaging the plants DNA and making it a mutant ..
Plain n simple
So everyone wants to re invent the wheel by using UVB in there gardens lol
But the important thing here is that don’t address plants’ specific spectral needs are not tuned to effectively facilitate optimal growth. For photosynthesis, plants need light in very particular parts of the spectrum, between 400nm and 700nm. sure the hell not the UVB NM range of what 280 - 315
Furthermore, plants use different spectra for different life functions. For example, a plant in the seedling stage may utilize light in the 450nm (blue) range of the spectrum. However, as the plant transitions into a flowering phase, it relies more heavily on light in the 660nm (red) area of the spectrum. Grow lights that provide the right mix of these varying wavelengths will produce the most vigorous and fruitful plants in the shortest amount of time.
Isn't that what the goal is here to grow a plant as fast and in the short amount of time
If your plants get too many photons at shorter wavelengths — which tend to be hyper-energetic — cells and tissues can be damaged,
All of these factors means it’s critical to address your plants’ PAR needs to ensure they are receiving adequate light for the various stages of photosynthesis. Plants under lights that provide a high level of PAR, in the right wavelengths, are productive plants. its like comparing growth rated of a 1000 watt to a 150 watt HPS is there a difference ??
Dr. Who
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Darth has some points for sure......MH, yeah I was doing MH for a while all the way through on my personal.....Then I got to thinking about why I'm running HPS in flower in the commercials.....Why the hell am I spending more on electrical costs and not supplying more significant PAR (Makes the plant actually "grow" faster) and not getting the better yields on the same cloned plants as in the commercials......BAM! Back to MH the first 2-4 weeks strain dependent and HPS them out....Bingo! Reduced cost, tighter budding, yield parity and overall stronger budding plant results......
Yes, spectrum does play well into growing and I don't think there is a real move away from adjusting spectral thinking yet....Just look at the CMH, 10K 1k MH and the developing COB LED lighting (seems to be more on intensity then spectrum tough for the COBs).....I have for years thought that the sun's spectral output was a major factor in the development of trichomes and Thc outdoors as opposed to in doors......I get tired of all those claiming they get better THC levels in then out....I haven't really seen a significant # difference in testing if, your reaching close as you can to parity in plant potential by end result.
Outdoor has that same kind of "deeper more intense, longer lasting effects that I've seen in my testing with UV.....Now that is to say that I DO find a difference between those too......Outdoor still seems to win and do it with an ease that I can tell by buzz if it was out or in.....THAT is what I feel is the spectral differences coming into play...BUT, I do see the outdoor do some serious trich development when the night temps drop hard and I mean like down to near frost levels.....Damn man, some of what I feel is the "best" actually gets a frost or two and pulls through no problem....It seems that when you get those major drop nights when the temps stay at or just below frost levels is when you get those "frost bite" problems.....
I've been wanting to put up a small greenhouse and actually play with proper finishing under the sun.....Well one thing at a time and the new personal grow area is being dialed in now.....Time to finish that.....So much to get straight.....Air flows, ambient temps, RH the list goes on.....One step at a time eh?
Doc
Oh just read Darths new post.....and he makes the real point....Is it worth the cost to result ratio to amend or supplement UVB.....Like I said...On the small personal grow scale....Yes, it can be if that's what you want to boost in your result - Longer lasting, deeper more "intense high".
If you plant to do more then about a 4x8 or at the most an 8x8 area....Nope, not cost effective and some people/patients don't care for the "effects" rendered by UV...
Just saying
Doc
Yes, spectrum does play well into growing and I don't think there is a real move away from adjusting spectral thinking yet....Just look at the CMH, 10K 1k MH and the developing COB LED lighting (seems to be more on intensity then spectrum tough for the COBs).....I have for years thought that the sun's spectral output was a major factor in the development of trichomes and Thc outdoors as opposed to in doors......I get tired of all those claiming they get better THC levels in then out....I haven't really seen a significant # difference in testing if, your reaching close as you can to parity in plant potential by end result.
Outdoor has that same kind of "deeper more intense, longer lasting effects that I've seen in my testing with UV.....Now that is to say that I DO find a difference between those too......Outdoor still seems to win and do it with an ease that I can tell by buzz if it was out or in.....THAT is what I feel is the spectral differences coming into play...BUT, I do see the outdoor do some serious trich development when the night temps drop hard and I mean like down to near frost levels.....Damn man, some of what I feel is the "best" actually gets a frost or two and pulls through no problem....It seems that when you get those major drop nights when the temps stay at or just below frost levels is when you get those "frost bite" problems.....
I've been wanting to put up a small greenhouse and actually play with proper finishing under the sun.....Well one thing at a time and the new personal grow area is being dialed in now.....Time to finish that.....So much to get straight.....Air flows, ambient temps, RH the list goes on.....One step at a time eh?
Doc
Oh just read Darths new post.....and he makes the real point....Is it worth the cost to result ratio to amend or supplement UVB.....Like I said...On the small personal grow scale....Yes, it can be if that's what you want to boost in your result - Longer lasting, deeper more "intense high".
If you plant to do more then about a 4x8 or at the most an 8x8 area....Nope, not cost effective and some people/patients don't care for the "effects" rendered by UV...
Just saying
Doc
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Darth Vapour
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I think most big grow ops are using DE's now i know of a few that switched out with other suplimental lighting such as plasma's and yes even CMH da hell with mogel bulbs lol they should be in museums
some of my old friends when discusing 400 watt MH and like i said singles are just to fucking weak and asked how in the hell are they getting them to work
secret double stacking 400's vertical was the answer i got and i will listen to growers that pull 3 + per 1 k any day of the week then the wheel inventers trying or claiming cause no matter what strain will only do what its genetics are capable of no matter what light you throw at it
