Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[MustangStudFarm]

Prayer Tower from Bodhi
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This might be the wrong place to ask, but I have been searching for info on Prayer Tower! My seeds sprouted out of my root cubes and I put them in soil last night... Have you had this long enough to do anykind of a report?
I also got Silver mnt, dream beaver, and SSDD. I hear plenty about beaver and ssdd.

 

[AllDayToker]

Hello again,

Trying to think of a good flowering tea, my ladies are look hungry. I was thinking 1/4 cup alfalfa meal and 3/4 cups kelp meal in about 4 gallons of water, bubble for 24hrs, then water as usual.

What do you guys think? Any suggestions on adding anything? I try to keep it simple so any thoughts are welcome.

 

[daybreaker]

Lemon Penetration.The giggle weed.The man im stoned with a big ass grin weed.FREEBIE!!!!

 

[Pattahabi]

This might be the wrong place to ask, but I have been searching for info on Prayer Tower! My seeds sprouted out of my root cubes and I put them in soil last night... Have you had this long enough to do anykind of a report?
I also got Silver mnt, dream beaver, and SSDD. I hear plenty about beaver and ssdd.

Hi MSF! There are different breedings of prayer tower. The one I have is with the sativa lemon thai. There is also an indica. That is my forth pheno I'm flowering now. So far there has been a decent amount of variety. Overall, it is very frosty, smells great, on some phenos (the last one inparticular) I can really taste and feel the thai influence. I definitely like this one - thus growing out four phenos, some staying in the garden for multiple runs. (there is a pict of the heavy thai one a few pages back I think - lots of frost)

I have also flowered out three phenos of the silver mountian. Two were really excellent yielders, while the third threw out some pretty serious frost with smaller buds, still not a 'bad' yielder. They all maintained the silver haze smell, but took on more of a body/knock down stone rather than the heady silver haze buzz. The smaller budded plant even more so than the other two. Both super easy to grow, no hermies, mutants, or any other bs like that.

Peace!

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[ShLUbY]

@daybreaker Looks dank, my friend.

I just recently got a cut from a friend of TGA Jacks Cleaner 2, supposed to be a great lemon haze. fwiw the guy who we got the cut from said he stopped growing it because people didn't want it anymore; they said it was too potent lol. SO i'm kinda stoked about it! Just got roots on it in the cloner. hitting soil tomorrow probably.

 

[ShLUbY]

Hello again,

Trying to think of a good flowering tea, my ladies are look hungry. I was thinking 1/4 cup alfalfa meal and 3/4 cups kelp meal in about 4 gallons of water, bubble for 24hrs, then water as usual.

What do you guys think? Any suggestions on adding anything? I try to keep it simple so any thoughts are welcome.

what do you think they look hungry for?

if you're at 3 weeks or past i've read that alfalfa is not what you want to be adding to teas as it can prolong the flowering process. however i recall reading a post where a well respected user (can't remember who at the time) was using it through flower with no noticeable differences.

I have some plants at 21 days that were a little N hungry and @st0wandgrow recommended some fish hydrolysate (2.9-3.0-.03) and kelp (0-0-1) for a nutrient tea. Since both were in liquid form i just bubbled 1tbsp fish and 1 tbsp liquid kelp in ~4.5 gal for 12 hours or so and watered. the next tea i think i'm going to make is EWC, some black topsoil from under my grass (please tell me if this is bad and/or sketchy but i would think it would have good microbes in it!), and molasses. just to get some fresh microbes in the soil. st0wandgrow recommended that he keeps teas to feed plants separate from teas that feed the soil, so it just depends on what you're looking to do with your tea.

Edit: i've seen people recommend cutting back on the kelp to about half the amount you suggested but the experienced guys will let you know.

 

[AllDayToker]

St0w had taught me plenty, he's a good man.

I use a lot of the same methods as him, including the ewc and molasses to boost microbe colonization.

I also keep my microbe teas and nutrient teas separate, only makes sense. All purpose teas would work of course, but it's more beneficial to keep each separated.

Just making sure a high kelp, low alfalfa ratio would be alright for midflower. I have Fish E if needed but figured the alfalfa would get the job done.

 

[Joedank]

yeah im a sucker for green products that actually fulfill their purpose. my old lady says i dont throw anything away lol. i just hang on to it until i know that there is no use!

Hey is there anyone out there who has a product that is just as good as EM-1 for a lesser dollar? I was turned on to the EM-1 by John Kohler of growingyourgreens.com and i haven't bought it yet but i'm placing and order to amazon for a bunch of shit today and i'd like to hear some experience before i buy.

Honestly, he's what got me on the kick of growing cannabis organically (i thought i had been lol but boy was i wrong!) before i even knew that people were growing with living soil beds/containers indoors. here i thought i was ahead of the game as i was planning on switching the cannabis garden over to organic no-till! Then I found you all here at RIU ROLS thread!

kick ass EM-1 is awsome . i am buying it for my laundry and life in general .... i stumbled across a link to making it yourself here : http://www.infrc.or.jp/english/KNF_Data_Base_Web/PDF KNF Conf Data/C5-10-198.pdf

 

[ShLUbY]

Just a question... it seemed to be pretty logical in hypothesis so maybe you all already do this....

Started EWC + Boogie Brew AACT 24 hrs ago. decided i wanted to stretch it out more so I took RO water of equal proportion (4gal) and added 1.5 tbsp unsul. molasses to it, then combined the two 4 gal into one 8 gal mixture. i should give this mixture about 12 more hours before i water i would think. just trying to let microbes multiply more with the new food and water. tea had a nice head and lots of O2 going in there. thanks

 

[Joedank]

love living soil!!!

 

[ShLUbY]

So i'm about half way through this whole thread. taken in way too much info but its good for me!

This has led me to my first run of rols experiments.... if someone has done this already could you please post your results or point me to a page where i can find them. I remember seeing Cann had something similar but i'll have to go back and look.

All will be no-till and same mix of soil, 15 gal containers. they will all be the same strain and i will keep them to the same size as best as possible before putting them in flower. then i'll just clean the bottoms out and let them do their thing.

container #1 will be water only for control
container #2 will be given AACTs, nutrients teas, aloe vera, coconut water, and plain water, ect.
container #3 will be given the same as container #2 but i am going to Ph the liquids.

I'd like to do three cycles through the containers before I make a final judgment.

would anyone change anything? or have another container with a different test. i was gonna do one with a coco base....

 

[ShLUbY]

HeadTreep,

I've read Teaming with Microbes, Building Soils Naturally. Have not read One Straw Revolution, but will look it up, any other suggestions. I've been so busying mixing and blending soils for a grower $$! Busy getting my own organic farm business of the ground as well

Got a question do you know what this is?


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DankSwag

Dank, i know this is old. Japanese Knotweed. don't know if you ever figured it out. highly invasive.

 

[ShLUbY]

so what is the plant telling me when the serrated leaf tips are pointing up?? if someone says magnesium deficiency i'm going to digitally slap them. lol I've heard they're "praying for magnesium" which i think is a load of bull. it's only the serrated edges. the leaf itself does not curl into itself. i've had this happening for the last few runs and i just cant figure it out. i know that once the leaf does it, it does not change its form (as with anything like N claw and what not). thank goodness i'm mixing a batch of soil next week to start my first run of ROLS down the road.

 

[Mohican]

The serrations give the leaf more edge length/area to evaporate water. When they are up and forming a cup I think they are trying to catch water.

 

[Scotch089]

Low humidity

 

[ShLUbY]

Low humidity

low humidity is not my problem. i am sure of that lol. its the middle of summer in MI, and i struggle to get humidity below 50% even when lights are off. maybe the humidity/temp VPD though.

The serrations give the leaf more edge length/area to evaporate water. When they are up and forming a cup I think they are trying to catch water.

they're not to the point of cupping... its just the tips of those serrated edges. maybe they were trying to transpire more H2O? I can't wait till i have my VPD in the correct range all the time. i'm wondering if it's related to that in some way...
i'll take a pic in a bit and post it up.

 

[st0wandgrow]

so what is the plant telling me when the serrated leaf tips are pointing up?? if someone says magnesium deficiency i'm going to digitally slap them. lol I've heard they're "praying for magnesium" which i think is a load of bull. it's only the serrated edges. the leaf itself does not curl into itself. i've had this happening for the last few runs and i just cant figure it out. i know that once the leaf does it, it does not change its form (as with anything like N claw and what not). thank goodness i'm mixing a batch of soil next week to start my first run of ROLS down the road.

How's the temperature at the canopy? Are leaves lower down doing this too or just the top leaves closest to the light?

I've had leaves do this too and I concluded that it was from heat stress.

 

[hyroot]

Yeah, leaf edges flaring up is the plants way of cooling down like when a dog is panting. Gets some a/c going in there.

 

[DIY42088]

so what is the plant telling me when the serrated leaf tips are pointing up?? if someone says magnesium deficiency i'm going to digitally slap them. lol I've heard they're "praying for magnesium" which i think is a load of bull. it's only the serrated edges. the leaf itself does not curl into itself. i've had this happening for the last few runs and i just cant figure it out. i know that once the leaf does it, it does not change its form (as with anything like N claw and what not). thank goodness i'm mixing a batch of soil next week to start my first run of ROLS down the road.

Does it look anything like this? Only thing I changed recently was adding a 125w cfl for side lighting and this happened only to one of the 3 plants in the box and they are all the same height and strain... Kinda strange, I automatically assumed heat stress but wouldn't it happen to all the plants?

 

[ShLUbY]

How's the temperature at the canopy? Are leaves lower down doing this too or just the top leaves closest to the light?
I've had leaves do this too and I concluded that it was from heat stress.

Yeah, leaf edges flaring up is the plants way of cooling down like when a dog is panting. Gets some a/c going in there.

yeah i think you guys may be right. leaves in the canopy were in areas of 82 +/- a degree. was getting warm down there when i wasn't running the central air for the house. now i have an AC unit just for the room so 80 is the top temp in there now, but typically has been 78 the last 7-10 days. i know once the leaves do that they generally never correct IME. We'll see if the next round does it!