Flaming Pie
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Yes for me.
Just stumbled across this while searching Ben Carson on Youtube
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Padawanbater2
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Then why can't you cite even one single instance where the first amendment was breached, then upheld by the Supreme Court?
You seem to be confused about that second part - where the Supreme Court decides if the law had been breached.
Criminal trials (murder) are not the same thing as civil trials (first amendment rights)
Flaming Pie
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What are you talking about?
Is it possible to practice shariah law in the US with out being caught?
Part of it yes and parts of it no.
Abusing women and gays would be something one could continue to do.
Uncle buck said that sharia law is prohibited by the first ammendment. I said that prohibition doesn't stop an activity from occuring.
So....
Flaming Pie
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Can an activity occur in spite of prohibition of that activity?
abandonconflict
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And every bit of that is easily dismissed in light of his ridiculous assertions.
Flaming Pie
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You have to tell me what the assertions are if you want a debate.
abandonconflict
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This is tossed around flippantly by republicans. It seems there's a correlation between being a conservative republican and not understanding how shit works in the US.
abandonconflict
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Here's one example. He started with something much stupider, but settled on this after he was criticized for saying something so stupid. This still (the underlined) demonstrates a lack of understanding of constitutional law. Go ahead, ask me how it demonstrates this, even though it has been covered in the thread...
Not GOP
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-- Carson said: “All you have to do is go and look up the many stories of people who have led very useful lives who were the result of rape or incest.
Mothers should not have the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, just as slave owners did not have the right to do whatever they wanted to their slaves. Had abolitionists allowed that, where would we be?"
Any thoughts?
Mothers should not have the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, just as slave owners did not have the right to do whatever they wanted to their slaves. Had abolitionists allowed that, where would we be?"
Any thoughts?
Flaming Pie
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He never said a Muslim couldn't become president.
He said he wouldn't support a Muslim who wouldn't renounce shariah law.
Someone who practices shariah law could become president, but only with the support of the voters.
So how does this go against the constitution?
Flaming Pie
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Well my great uncle was actually my grandma's son... and we all love him and I feel he led a happy life. He had a wife and kids and a mortgage. Still living and I am glad to see him every christmas.
Not GOP
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I consider myself to to be pro life, but Carson may be a bit far to the right for me. I can't imagine ever telling a woman that she should be forced to have a rape baby. They often times are reminded of the predators face, when they see their son's face, and then end up resenting the child. Not all, but it happens. I know of it happening
Padawanbater2
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He's a complete fuckin' idiot
Not GOP
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I've heard people call Carson a lot of things, but an idiot hasn't been one of them.
abandonconflict
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"I would intensify the war on drugs"1) Fetal tissue research.
2) Likening Obama to slavery, then when the media criticizes him about it saying, "I never said that, the PC media said I said that."
“It is slavery because it aims to make all of us subservient to the government,” he said. “It was never about health care. It was about control.” He then later says, "What I was trying to say but the liberal media distorted my remarks was …."
3) He made some weird Nazi allegations, later recanted them.
"The people in Nazi Germany largely didn't believe in what Hitler was doing. But they didn't say anything? Of course not, they kept their mouth shut. The fact that our government is using instruments of government like the IRS to punish its opponents, this is not the kind of thing that is a Democrat or a Republican issue. This is an American issue ... A lot of people do not feel free to express themselves."
"You are just focusing on the words Nazi Germany and completely missing the point of what I said," Carson told Blitzer. "And that's the problem right now. That's what 'PCism' is all about. You may not say this word regardless of what your point is because if you say that word, I go into a tizzy."
4) When he was asked if there were other things that were worse in US history, say 9/11 he goes... "I think it's nonproductive to get into worse than this or worse than that, or maybe it's better than this or better than that. That's not the point of what I'm saying. The point is a major fundamental shift of power has occurred."
5) He said no Muslim should ever be allowed to become President (violation of Article 6 of the Constitution and the 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights, try to argue this all you want, anyone, it's still a violation of the Article 6 and the 1st Amendment so before any debate starts: No, you're wrong, shut up, learn our Constitution).
“I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.”
6) He completely misquoted Thomas Jefferson. "So all you’re going to do is create more vulnerability, as Thomas Jefferson said. He said the people who are going to be disadvantaged are the ones who are law-abiding." If you watch the video you can see he completely can't remember what he's even saying by the way he avoids eye contact and keeps blinking while he talks.
7) Remember when he said this, "our Congress actually has the right to reprimand or remove them [Judges]." Dangerous statement, because you can't remove judges from the Supreme Court because they made a ruling you disagree with. They can only be impeached for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
He's called gay marriage a Marxist plot, doesn't believe in equal protection under the law by saying that gay people don't get to define what marriage is, and said that prison - yes prison - turns people gay. "...[G]o into prison straight – and when they come out, they’re gay..."
9) He doesn't believe in a thing called international humanitarian law, or the laws of war. "If you’re gonna have rules for war, you should just have a rule that says no war,” he said. “Other than that, we have to win." While I know there are going to be people saying, "Blah blah blah he's right, why should we have rules in warfare if our enemies don't follow them." a) Protected our soldiers in WWII b) Any future conflict if we abide by the laws of war, the other side if it's a major nation should also c) We instigated the fucking Nuremberg trials, we are the nation that led the charge on defining what is a war crime and what is not and the contribution the United States has made to human rights is amazing, why would we ever want to go back on that completely? d) It will keep our soldiers safe in the future. The moment we decide that all rules are out is the moment any country gets to decide on us that all rules are out.
10) He made the absurd claim that the Obama Administration is purposely depressing the economy to keep people on welfare. "...perhaps some of the things that are going on right now which could be easily remedied are not being remedied in order to keep the economy depressed because there would be no appetite for many of the social programs if people were doing well." Every economic indicator says otherwise, no matter how much you dislike it. If anything Bush is to blame on this one.
11) He thought/thinks Obama is going to declare martial law to suspend elections (wtf?) "Certainly there’s the potential because you have to recognize that we have a rapidly increasing national debt, a very unstable financial foundation, and you have all these things going on like the ISIS crisis that could very rapidly change things that are going on in our nation. And unless we begin to deal with these things in a comprehensive way and in a logical way there is no telling what could happen in just a couple of years."
12) He thinks that teaching civil disobedience in AP History courses will lead to joining ISIS. "I think most people when they finish that course, they’d be ready to go sign up for ISIS."
13) He thinks if someone is caught of voter fraud they should have their citizenship stripped and be deported rather than be tried under the law. "Anyone caught involved in voter fraud should be immediately deported and have his citizenship revoked."
14) He thinks it's "condescending" that low-income Americans shouldn't pay their “fair share” of taxes, because “poor people have pride, too” and “don’t want to be just taken care of.” Let's just ignore that someone who earns say in his example $10 billion and gets taxed $1 billion feels that less than someone who makes $10 and is taxed $1 (hint: Before an argument starts about this, again, it's called purchasing power. $9 billion goes sooooo much farther than $9, it's math).
15) When he was on The Andy Parks Show he suggested that protests against police violence helps ISIS and Al Qaeda.
16) He said that the women's liberation movement created a "me generation" which leads to police shootings.
17) Back to the balance of powers between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches, he thinks that the Executive branch can just ignore the judicial branch - which is another dangerous statement. "We have to understand how the Constitution works — the president is required to carry out the laws of the land, the laws of the land come from the legislative branch... So if the legislative branch creates a law or changes a law, the executive branch has a responsibly to carry it out. It doesn’t say they have the responsibility to carry out a judicial law." [in regards to equal marriage]
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19) He's called Obama a Communist (before someone argues this: No, you're wrong and if you think this you have no concept of what a communist is so shut up, sit down, don't embarrass yourself).
Yeah... that's my list of "Stupid Shit Ben Carson Has Said" that padawanbater2 was getting at. I sometimes wish I made this up, but it's all just a google away.
abandonconflict
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He did say he thinks a muslim should not be elected president, then he backpedaled when he got called on it and said they should renounce sharia, but even that would be a violation of Article 6. Furthermore it just would never be necessary, since implementation of sharia law would also be thoroughly unconstitutional.
By saying this, He demonstrates a lack of understanding of the constitution. This guy needs to stick to medicine, and leave US politics to people who understand the US constitution.
Not GOP
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It wasn't a "back pedal" . It was a clarification
And for somebody to state their opinion about who they would support for president is freedom of speech. (not a violation of article 6)
abandonconflict
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It was in fact a backpedal, seeing as how he said one thing, then got criticized and "clarified" it to something else. By saying this, he demonstrates a lack of understanding of the constitution. I never said he violated the constitution by stating his opinion, I said that his stupid backpedaling opinion demonstrates a lack of understanding of the constitution.
Someone who has such a poor understanding of constitutional law should not be POTUS in my opinion.
Not GOP
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That was the impression I got. Sorry if I misunderstood
UncleBuck
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being a racist loser is not against the law.
now why do you think black people are not trying to improve their lives?