Sanders explains what democratic socialism is

[OGEvilgenius]

I literally cannot agree with a single one of your opinions.

The woman was refusing to sign marriage certificates not only for homosexual couples but for heterosexual couples too, she was in gross dereliction of her sworn duties because of her "feels".

You go to work to trade labour for payment, not to have an opinion while you're there.

The government takes payment from you forcibly. This is a government institution.

 

[Harrekin]

The government takes payment from you forcibly. This is a government institution.

Sidestepped like a little bitch.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Sidestepped like a little bitch.

She works for the government. The same one responsible for protecting the rights of everyone. You'd have a point if she worked for a private institution.

 

[Red1966]

Odd, a thread started by you about Sanders and he's not even on your little bar graph. Fail

 

[Red1966]

Instead of trying to align yourself with a politician, consider writing a list of political issues important to you. Not the ones constantly blasting from the tv, the ones YOU care about.

Now, go through the list of current presidential candidates and see who's discussing the issues on your list and what their positions are.

For me, the only candidate that matched was Mr Sanders. No one else was even close.

Your desire for unlimited freebies is a poor criteria for electing a president.

 

[Red1966]

Time for a viable 3rd party. Oh wait, we are stuck one a two party system......

Officially, we don't have a two party system. There are half a dozen candidates on the ballot every election.

 

[Red1966]

I think many people have a pretty deep misunderstanding of the presidential office itself.. One single person can't accomplish everything, the pressure put on the executive office is, in my opinion, pretty unfounded.. The president's job, as the top executive, is to enforce the laws congress makes. Our current congress, and the congress that has presided over the Obama administration is a complete failure. 60 failed attempts to eradicate the affordable care act in the name of politics is simply disgusting. Republican politicians unyielding support for throwing their own constituents off of a healthcare plan even though the majority of them support it shows a total lack of information among the base and a total lack of respect from congress.

If everyone understood the actual facts, this entire country would be blue. Republicans have been working diligently to obfuscate those facts into a kind of fairytale reality

Now you're lying to support your politics. The majority of Americans have been, and still are, opposed to the ACA. Saying they should not vote their conscious out of "respect" for Obama is the statement of a fool.

 

[Red1966]

I've been thinking of calling myself a 'social democrat', because I think social programs are a necessary and appropriate part of living in a modern first world country.

Those who think that they needn't support their fellow citizens through health care, education and social safety net programs- or even fire and police protection- I shall henceforth refer to in aggregate as quite simply 'anti-social!'

It's a cutesy label, glib- yet the implication is one of selfishness and greed. Perfect!

Wait..... you're claiming those who won't give YOU free shit are anti-social? Perhaps those who are constantly demanding someone else support their lazy ass are the "anti-social"?

 

[Red1966]

Why don't we get money out now by a show of true grassroots the old fashioned way..by earning it.

You are one of the most intellegent men on this board Pada..when do numbers lie? When do they not add up? when they are reported incorrectly..see Romney landslide.

I have faith in 'we the people' and you should too..

No, you have faith that you represent "the people". You are mistaken.
Did you miss me?

 

[Red1966]

Your problem is you're too caught up in ideology to assess reality in an objective way

Every metric but the TEA party type of "conservatives" puts the Obama administration in the top teens for presidents

While presidents like Bush Sr. & Reagan reside in the 20s and W. is among the worst presidents of all time near the 35th position.. Going back even further, FDR takes top 3 with the New Deal and LBJ takes top 15 with the Great Society and war on poverty..

Seems like every time a president presides over a program that helps the American people, they tend to favor him..

Who would have thought...

So only "metrics" you approve of are valid? Surveys show Obama is taking the country in the wrong direction in the minds of most Americans. You believe you represent America. You are mistaken.

 

[Red1966]

That's right, Shock and Awe, when the idiots warned them we would attack for over a year!

It will be over within a week or two, and all of the oil we get will more than pay for the whole thing!

And the sheeple cheered.

"ISIS is contained"
And the sheeple cheered.

 

[Red1966]

I'm not willing to write off candidates because they don't poll well a year out. Clinton didn't. Neither did either Bush- nor Obama.

I'm hoping/betting that enough people will find reasons to revolt against Mrs Clinton's 'inevitability' that Mr Sanders will prevail. It's happened before- regularly.

Clinton won the Dem nomination vote in 2008, but Obama was "selected" as the nominee. Let's not pretend the DNC gives a shit who you vote for. They will decide who the nominee is, not the public.

 

[Red1966]

Why would he drop out?

The only reason candidates concede is because their money runs out..super pacs stop donating..this is where money can be to our advantage..sanders has no pac to appease, just his followers 'we the people'..don't you remember when this little 2016 shindig first started? The Mittster and JEB! we're both rivaling for same funds from the American Vatican (Kochs)
They wouldn't fund Mitt, so he never announced

Here's the kicker..Bernies money rivals superpac money..Americans love to donate a good cause..wait.. You haven't seen anything yet because ' we the people' are controlling his campaign..mainstream is unaware but will soon enough come to realize the power bestowed upon us by sanders by refusing super pac money.

Since Sanders started accepting EBT cards, his donation have increased twenty-fold.

 

[Red1966]

Good morning Irish!<hug>

Citation? His candidacy donors list is available how does he measure up financially to Sanders at same time and point in the process?..please post so we may compare..*spoiler alert*..Google will be required.

Sanders wasn't running for president in 2012, so Google isn't required

 

[Red1966]

The stupid county clerk TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE LAW. She was rightly punished for refusing to live up to that oath. No one forced her to take that position and no one gave her the authority to make determinations about other people's eligibility to marry. You'd have every lil government peon be part of the 'unassailable machine of government' which is bullshit. We The People created this government and therefore it's up to US to demand that it work properly, respect everyone's rights and operate without corruption!

I refuse to accept the idea that government is by nature corrupt; it's a lie crafted to conveniently cover for those who steal from our collective wealth. Why don't we hold such people accountable? That's what laws are for! Why do we allow our legal system to NOT indict the rich and powerful when they commit malfeasance on small or grand scales?

In other words, We the People DO have the power- despite what Faux Spews might darkly imply- to hold those in our society accountable for their actions and the consequences whether they're in government or not.

And, the responsibility.

She upheld the law that was in place when she took the oath. She was punished for following the dictates of her religion. No one gave the Supreme Court the authority to make determinations about other people's eligibility to marry. You supported the "lil government peon" who performed gay marriages when they were illegal, so... further claiming " That's what laws are for! Why do we allow our legal system to NOT indict the rich and powerful when they commit malfeasance on small or grand scales?" is hypocrisy.

 

[Red1966]

The government creates problems and creates bigger problems attempting to solve the original problems it creates.

This is by design, not by accident

 

[Red1966]

I literally cannot agree with a single one of your opinions.

The woman was refusing to sign marriage certificates not only for homosexual couples but for heterosexual couples too, she was in gross dereliction of her sworn duties because of her "feels".

You go to work to trade labour for payment, not to have an opinion while you're there.

So the guards at Auschwitz were merely trading labour (sic) for payment?

 

[ChesusRice]

Now you're lying to support your politics. The majority of Americans have been, and still are, opposed to the ACA. Saying they should not vote their conscious out of "respect" for Obama is the statement of a fool.

The majority prefer Obamacare to nothing. We been down this road before. You are wrong.

 

[Harrekin]

She works for the government. The same one responsible for protecting the rights of everyone. You'd have a point if she worked for a private institution.

Her job is to issue marriage certificates in accordance with law and she refused to follow the law.

It's literally that fucking simple.

 

[Red1966]

The majority prefer Obamacare to nothing. We been down this road before. You are wrong.

To nothing? "nothing" is not the alternative. Not wrong, and you know it. Liar