EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

Red1966

Red1966

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ttystikk said:
And it's what has to change for this country to work for the majority of its people.

The republican party has done an excellent job of showing us all just how stupid people can be politically if there's the will and the funds to systematically deceive them.
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The government WANTS people to invest in businesses. The lower capital gains rates are an incentive both parties decided were effective. Businesses face the prospect of loosing money instead of gaining money. Income earners don't face that risk. Changing this practice is more likely to leave income earners with no jobs, a situation that definitely won't work for the majority.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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Red1966 said:
You keep trying to make this about Trump. Are you arguing with him or me? So far, you haven't been able to dispute me at all. Pretending I worship a man I wouldn't even vote for is just asinine.
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Read slow, OK? Trump said in a speech that a hedge fund manager that he knows M-A-D-E $250M in 2014 and paid $4M in taxes.

Got it?

Sound fair?

If it does...you're twisted.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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The_Herban_Legend said:
Do you know what globalization is? I doubt you do or you would have not asked such a ridiculous question.
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Like I've said before, you want to do business in America, you pay American tax rates. You don't get to leave the country, pay foreign workers a fraction of what you'd pay American workers and pocket the profit and expect to sell your product/service in the US. That's not how it should work, that's partly responsible for keeping American wages low and unemployment high. There's not a corporation in the world that would give up the North American market just to pay a lower tax percentage and low labor costs.
 
The_Herban_Legend

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Padawanbater2 said:
Like I've said before, you want to do business in America, you pay American tax rates. You don't get to leave the country, pay foreign workers a fraction of what you'd pay American workers and pocket the profit and expect to sell your product/service in the US. That's not how it should work, that's partly responsible for keeping American wages low and unemployment high. There's not a corporation in the world that would give up the North American market just to pay a lower tax percentage and low labor costs.
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Says he who types from a computer or phone not manufactured in America.
 
Padawanbater2

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The_Herban_Legend said:
Says he who types from a computer or phone not manufactured in America.
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That's one of the differences between liberals and conservatives, I would gladly pay more if it meant someone else on the lower end got more. Conservatives will only pay more if it goes straight to the top or benefits themselves in some way

Class act, those conservatives. I bet that's what Jesus would do too
 
The_Herban_Legend

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Padawanbater2 said:
That's one of the differences between liberals and conservatives, I would gladly pay more if it meant someone else on the lower end got more. Conservatives will only pay more if it goes straight to the top or benefits themselves in some way

Class act, those conservatives. I bet that's what Jesus would do too
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I am just giving you a hard time. I see eye to eye with you on most things. I get your point and I agree.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
That's one of the differences between liberals and conservatives, I would gladly pay more if it meant someone else on the lower end got more. Conservatives will only pay more if it goes straight to the top or benefits themselves in some way

Class act, those conservatives. I bet that's what Jesus would do too
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Class act. those liberals, claiming they would gladly pay more, yet they DON'T. They do, however demand more for themselves.
 
m4s73r

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This is not a liberal or conservative issue. Its a society issue. I cant think of anyone that wouldnt be ok with things being a little more expensive if that extra was going to the worker.
But that dont happen. See back when occupy wallstreet was going on there was this big thing about Papa Johns. And Papa wouldnt raise the price $0.15 per pizza to cover health benefits for employees.
We all know about walmart and target and how much government welfare they get. Easily save tax payers money by paying them more and getting them out of welfare. Then they add more to to the GDP. Costco does it. Why cant everyone else?

So the real objective is to change how people spend money and how they are paid.

So I leave you with this quote:
...I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. -FDR

You as a consumer need to decide what a living wage is. Once you've decided what that is, only shop at places that do that or better.
 
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ttystikk

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@m4s73r FDR couldn't get elected today. Neither could Dwight Eisenhower. They're both too mainstream... too politically moderate.

Start asking conservatives you meet what the difference is between their beliefs and fascism... then watch the fun as they play a verbal game of Twister with themselves!
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ttystikk said:
@m4s73r FDR couldn't get elected today. Neither could Dwight Eisenhower. They're both too mainstream... too politically moderate.

Start asking conservatives you meet what the difference is between their beliefs and fascism... then watch the fun as they play a verbal game of Twister with themselves!
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What is the difference between your beliefs and fascism?
 
Padawanbater2

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Red1966 said:
So, another asshole telling me what I think. By the way, you brought Trump into this, not me.
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You have the mind of a child. Too small to think past himself, too inadequate to know why.

Everything - literally (I have NEVER seen you post a thoughtful or meaningful reply to anyone, everything is all about HATE with you. You hate everyone and anything that disagrees with you) - is against you. Everyone is wrong.

You will die a sad, lonely man, and as much as I hate you, that's sad as fuck.
 
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