Red1966
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Wow, really haten on me. Might be maybe just a lil tiny bit of projection going on here? Do I threaten you?
EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread
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Red1966
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Hilary gets Dem nomination. Hilary is arrested for any of dozens of crimes. Poof!!! Republicans win by default.
The Republicans are a joke, they have shit leadership, and shitty people voted in by idiots.
Same as the Democrats.
Padawanbater2
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I hate you because you're an objectively bad person
Padawanbater2
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Good luck!
Until you have public support, libertarian ideals will fail to reach significance
Maybe you should work on selling that idea first
ttystikk
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The main reason I'm still following along with these threads is to see if there's some argument that will cause a right winger to actually stop, think and question some of their assumptions.
I have and it's made all the difference. Really, I think most republicans aren't thinking their positions through to their ultimate conclusions.
Questioning basic premises is the foundation of science. I think that's why they call it political science... because the politics of faith ain't ever gonna work- and humanity has been trying for thousands of years.
How long before Bernie drops out?
Haha ... Political Science is an oxymoron. It's ideology pretending to be a science.
You're okay T; I just couldn't resist ---
Padawanbater2
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Probably March
The end to the social safety net programs, like you want, will never happen without violent revolution. Are you willing to kill people over your belief that people should provide for themselves?
If so, you're crazy. If not, why continue to obstruct inevitable progress?a
Red1966
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No, you have no idea who I am. You have this persona you have projected on to me. A persona of your making, not mine. You have a need to make me a "baddy" because you are threatened by me.
ttystikk
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You're a troll who's bad at definitions.
Red1966
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Really hateful tonight, Paddy. Somebody shit in your cereal this morning?
Spin the wheel again, you obviously don't base what you write on facts or anything. I have never championed the cause of social program smackdown, why do your arguments stink of perceived personal slights?
tangerinegreen555
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No, you actually did. You asked for specifics about the $250M a hedge fund manager made with his tax burden being 4.3M. Which you fucking disputed claiming he paid 97M. And then you changed the subject. You're not very focused on this at all.
Padawanbater2
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Sure you haven't
Oregon Gardener
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For me personally, I would like to see something done about the 100 mostly white guys that run the Senate (except Bernie) of course. They used to be appointed by their state's Governor's. There is a precedent to make serious changes in that institution. What ever happened to term limits? But we probably need at least the 435 (maybe more) mostly criminals in the House to keep modern "free market" capitalism running
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Fogdog
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"Assuming I do because that is your way of trying to define me as you want me to be instead of who I really am is the way you people try to silence any opposing view."
That's rich! You poor thing, people are mis-characterizing poor little Red. Coming from you, this is really funny.
ttystikk
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A hard and fast no money in politics law would snap the chains of cash between politicians and those who would buy them.
We as Americans basically have to confront the fact that we've built a country around corruption at every level and that it's time to either start living up to the principles we espouse or abandon them altogether.
If we simply let corruption take rein, as has already begun, the ultimate consequence is chaos. That's the tragedy of the commons of civilization itself and the whole thing crumbles as 'every man for himself!' tears down first the social contract, second order and security and third shared infrastructure and we end up like Somalia.
That's why we all need to face facts. The SAME facts. The left and the right aren't even using the same language anymore, let alone the same points of reference.
We as Americans basically have to confront the fact that we've built a country around corruption at every level and that it's time to either start living up to the principles we espouse or abandon them altogether.
If we simply let corruption take rein, as has already begun, the ultimate consequence is chaos. That's the tragedy of the commons of civilization itself and the whole thing crumbles as 'every man for himself!' tears down first the social contract, second order and security and third shared infrastructure and we end up like Somalia.
That's why we all need to face facts. The SAME facts. The left and the right aren't even using the same language anymore, let alone the same points of reference.
Harrekin
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Our highest personal marginal rate is 45% before deductions.
Under a 90% effective rate system youd be paying about 3-4x more.
What most of the dumb dumbs there don't realise is it was a 90% marginal rate and it was FAR easier to file deductions to lower your burden.
A doctor in the 50's earning $50,000 could have easily paid no tax due to the numerous deductions.
I'm in utter support of a higher standard of life for everyone and I support our social system,nationalised healthcare and nationalised education...the method needs to make sense tho.
