First Time Coco Grow - Can't Quite Figure This Out

Skunk Baxter

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I feel like a total dweeb asking this, but I've never grown in coco before and I can't seem to be able to figure out what's happening. I'm getting a yellow mottling effect on many of the fan leaves, with the veins and edges generally a dark, healthy green, and yellowish mottling between the veins and the edges. I'm afraid it doesn't show up well with the flash, so maybe I need to take a couple of them outside and photograph them tomorrow.

I'm doing a SOG straight from seed (which I know is a pain in the ass even in the best of conditions), and that's probably part of what's happening here. The individual plants have different needs in terms of light, water, and nutrients, because many of them are at slightly different stages of their growth cycle. In some cases, I have 2 plants potted in the same pot, and there is a wide variance just between those 2 plants.

I'm using a 4.5x4.5 grow tent for this, with a 1000W Eye Hortilux Super HPS bulb. Temperature of the tent is high 70s Fahrenheit, lamp is about 18 inches above tallest plants. Plants are 3 weeks from sprouts as of yesterday, just entering their 4th week of growth. I started the germed seeds in rockwool cubes, and potted them in coco a week ago tonight.

I am using tap water, coming out of the tap at about 175 PPM. PH 7.5 out of the tap, but after I mix my nutes, I correct it. I tend to float my PH on hydro, anywhere from 5.5 to 6.2. This grow, most of the time I'm ranging between 5.7 and 6.0, but sometimes drift up or down a full .1 from that range.

For nutes, I am using Canna Coco A and B. Right about 650 PPM, so added to the 175 coming out of the tap, I'm at about 825 to maybe 850 PPM. I fed just once a day for the first 3 days in coco, because I was new to coco, and was afraid of drowning the root systems. Then I went to twice a day for 2 days, and have now gone to 3 times a day. At any rate, those are the only nutes I am using - I have not tried a calmag supplement yet.

What I'm getting looks like it could be nitrogen, magnesium, or sulphur deficiencies, but there are things about it that don't fit any of those deficiencies. I'm thinking that with 3 feedings a day - even light feedings - they should be getting enough nutes. I might suspect overfeeding, if it weren't for the fact that it was happening even when I was feeding once a day - and even skipped the first day after putting them into coco.

PH and TDS are both unchanged after flooding the tray and draining it back into the reservoir.

Other than this, the plants look fantastic. Good, strong, thick, healthy white roots are already exploding out the bottom holes of every pot, and they seem to be growing very well. Several seedlings that I didn't think were even going to live long enough to ever get their driver's licenses bounced right back as soon as I put them in coco, and a couple of them caught up so well they look as good as the ones that were fully healthy when I put them into their coco pots. It's just that damned leaf color.

What should I be looking at here?
 

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blackforest

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I would test the runoff ec and ph to see the difference of what is going in. If runoff ph is low 5's, it has a hard time taking up key nutes (like N), and could have a buildup in the medium causing minor lockout.
 

Skunk Baxter

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Ambient air temp in the tent itself is in the mid-70s, and the temperature under the light is in the high 70s to about 80F. Nute temperature is mid-to high 60s, and I keep an airstone bubbling 24/7.
 

Skunk Baxter

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I would test the runoff ec and ph to see the difference of what is going in. If runoff ph is low 5's, it has a hard time taking up key nutes (like N), and could have a buildup in the medium causing minor lockout.
PH and TDS are both unchanged after flooding the tray and draining it back into the reservoir.
Part of me still wonders if that might be small part of the problem, though. The thing I already don't feel comfortable with about coco is that even when I fill the drain tray, it never comes all the way to the top of the growing medium. I'm thinking of adopting the practice of doing a top-down watering with light nutes once a week, sort of as a flush.
 

Skunk Baxter

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OK, those pictures sucked. I took some more today during daylight, and these show the problem a lot more clearly. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Remember - 3 full weeks from seedling, just transplanted into coco a week ago (their second week of growth), PH between 5.5 and 6.2 (usually 5.8 and 6.0), only nutrients are Canna Coco A and B, tap water at 175 PPM and about another 650 PPM of the Canna Coco, feeding 3 times a day, 1000W Eye Super Hortlux bulb 18 inches above tallest plants, 20/4 light cycle, grow tent temperature never above 80.
 

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apbx720

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To me it looks like overwatering coupled w heat stress. Also if i were u i would supplement cal mag. U can get an mg def and not even know for a month. Raise the light up to 2 feet or higher to help w hot temps. They dnt look too bad but yr right something is wrong and good call tryna catch it early. Thats my opinion anyways. Good luck!!
 
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