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[DANfour20]

farther back

cfl light is good for about 0.3048meters
the danger zone (to hot) is with in 6.35 cms
u need to account for the growth the plant is going to do so at least 15cms from the light to the top of the plant

Does that mean a part of my plant not within 30 cms of the light will not grow? Even if it had no shadow cast upon it?

 

[DANfour20]

How bigs the room mate?

I got a 600w hps in a 1m x 1m room and if anything the strain flowered longer than usual..

Now the plants under the led shite light seem to finish 1-2 weeks earlier...shit yield but they do finish

I heard led was comparable to hps in terms of ... Well everything yield, denseness etc..

 

[justugh]

Ok ill pull my light up another 7 cms or so. Im planning to mainline. When would i top for the first time? View attachment 3571413 View attachment 3571414

you got one node ......set of real leaves stalk set a really leaves .......wait untill u have atleast 3 nodes thicker stalk so it can take the training with out dying

Does that mean a part of my plant not within 30 cms of the light will not grow? Even if it had no shadow cast upon it?

yes ......anything with in that 30 cm range will grow anything below it will not have enough light to produce u anything (this area should be thought of as a sucker areas) trim them away so stem is left Lollipop the stems

if u are main lining u will be doing this anyway

 

[ValleyDragon]

I heard led was comparable to hps in terms of ... Well everything yield, denseness etc..

I think it depends on a few things, like growers experience, and cost of light etc

Most led growers are now building their own cree cob leds, much more efficient and stronger light intensity..

Mine will now only be used for veg even though its suppose to be comparable to a 1200w hps

 

[ttystikk]

I heard led was comparable to hps in terms of ... Well everything yield, denseness etc..

The old blurple LED was garbage; inefficient, lacking spectrum and unreliable.

The new COB LED chips are a different breed of cat entirely, and these can be made to be more efficent than any other artificial light source. While it's costly to get those kind of numbers, 56% efficiency is relatively affordable, while being at least thirty percent more efficient than anything with a light bulb. Spectrum is fantastic, heat is minimal, and with minimal care they last forever.

I've seen quite a few grows with them now, and I'm convinced enough to plunk down a very substantial amount of cash to have a large array built for testing.

 

[justugh]

I heard led was comparable to hps in terms of ... Well everything yield, denseness etc..

LED is not the same yield but a better denseness less fluffy buds compared to HID......but hid is better for yield and area of coverage

LED light is more focused so it gets a much better depth then anything but by doing that u lose out on a the over all footprint
HID light is all about the power lumens and the area it covers ....the depth is good but loses power fast resulting in fluffy buds

 

[DANfour20]

you got one node ......set of real leaves stalk set a really leaves .......wait untill u have atleast 3 nodes thicker stalk so it can take the training with out dying

yes ......anything with in that 30 cm range will grow anything below it will not have enough light to produce u anything (this area should be thought of as a sucker areas) trim them away so stem is left Lollipop the stems

if u are main lining u will be doing this anyway

Yes i will, im a little unclear on the topping. I wait till it grows more taller (sets of leaves) or thicker. Lol im pretty new i need to read exactly what a node is. I thought it was where the flowers grow lol ok kind of, its where the leaves grow from. Like each set is one node?

 

[justugh]

Yes i will, im a little unclear on the topping. I wait till it grows more taller (sets of leaves) or thicker. Lol im pretty new i need to read exactly what a node is. I thought it was where the flowers grow lol

more set of leaves....as those leaves show up the stalk will get thicker naturally .......2 more sets of leaves

topping is cutting the top cola off the plant forcing the nodes to grow thicker and replace that 1 cola with 2 colas ....fimming too just that is doing it on a much younger plant

nodes are the side shoots off the stalk ......they form into branches on the plant ....then they make flowering sites on the branches ........topping /fimming it removes the central stalk and makes the 2 top nodes form into new colas

edit
i take off the lowest branching on all my plants some times the 2nd one if the plant is tall

 

[ttystikk]

LED is not the same yield but a better denseness less fluffy buds compared to HID......but hid is better for yield and area of coverage

LED light is more focused so it gets a much better depth then anything but by doing that u lose out on a the over all footprint
HID light is all about the power lumens and the area it covers ....the depth is good but loses power fast resulting in fluffy buds

Dude. This may have been true for the old blurple shit, but I wouldn't be so hasty to toss the new COB LED baby into that same bathwater.

 

[DANfour20]

more set of leaves....as those leaves show up the stalk will get thicker naturally .......2 more sets of leaves

topping is cutting the top cola off the plant forcing the nodes to grow thicker and replace that 1 cola with 2 colas ....fimming too just that is doing it on a much younger plant

nodes are the side shoots off the stalk ......they form into branches on the plant ....then they make flowering sites on the branches ........topping /fimming it removes the central stalk and makes the 2 top nodes form into new colas

edit
i take off the lowest branching on on all my plants some times the 2nd on if the plant is tall

I thought fim was f@#£ i missed, (because they only take 75 to 80 percent of the growth out) how does that work out??

 

[justugh]

Dude. This may have been true for the old blurple shit, but I wouldn't be so hasty to toss the new COB LED baby into that same bathwater.

does not matter the lens is what effects the light delusion in the room
30 degree angle
60 degree
90 degree
120 degree

u get the better depth with the lower angle but lose on footprint and the higher footprint with the higher angle but u lose out on depth

u are saying the Cob is better then the old diode .....i can agree to that but it is all about the lens with the LED

 

[ttystikk]

does not matter the lens is what effects the light delusion in the room
30 degree angle
60 degree
90 degree
120 degree

u get the better depth with the lower angle but lose on footprint and the higher footprint with the higher angle but u lose out on depth

u are saying the Cob is better then the old diode .....i can agree to that but it is all about the lens with the LED

First, it's about the light source, THEN it's about the lens.

 

[justugh]

First, it's about the light source, THEN it's about the lens.

light source is directly linked to power
but it is lens that dictates footprint/depth

like a 600w 120 degree angle lens would be equaled to a 1000w hid (same footprint same depth )....old diode
a 450w 120 degree angle lens would be equaled to a 1000w hid......cob diode

agreed?

 

[justugh]

I thought fim was f@#£ i missed, (because they only take 75 to 80 percent of the growth out) how does that work out??

really not sure what was said or being asked

so ......HUH ?

 

[justugh]

fimming is just removing the growth that would be the top cola in a young plant ..........like yours right now would be able to Fim it .......it forces the nodes u have now to grow out and start forming colas so u can fim again making more cola ....it does make the plant smaller but bushier

more advanced topping.........this would be good for SCRoGing a whole room with one plant

 

[ttystikk]

light source is directly linked to power
but it is lens that dictates footprint/depth

like a 600w 120 degree angle lens would be equaled to a 1000w hid (same footprint same depth )....old diode
a 450w 120 degree angle lens would be equaled to a 1000w hid......cob diode

agreed?

I'm uncomfortable with the oversimplification. Here's a link to better data;

https://www.rollitup.org/t/lens-and-reflector-optics-for-cob.893660/

 

[justugh]

I'm uncomfortable with the oversimplification. Here's a link to better data;

https://www.rollitup.org/t/lens-and-reflector-optics-for-cob.893660/

K.I.S.S....... man
keep
it
simple
stupid

 

[ttystikk]

K.I.S.S....... man
keep
it
simple
stupid
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Read your own quote, lol

I'm not trying to bust your balls here, I'm just pointing out that sometimes new tech comes along that's completely disruptive to the old paradigms, and this is that tech in our industry today.

 

[justugh]

Read your own quote, lol

I'm not trying to bust your balls here, I'm just pointing out that sometimes new tech comes along that's completely disruptive to the old paradigms, and this is that tech in our industry today.

how is over simplified

knowing the lens angle effects the foot print of the LED is more important then knowing a Cob has a high par rating then most of the old diode

if someone gets a 500 watt cob or led and they think it is going to do a 4x4 area but it only covers a 3x3 ........it is due to the lens getting a 60 instead of 120.....so all those plants in the 1x1 are getting crap even with reflection off the tent walls the power is nothing but fluffy bud only good for hash/bho/canna butter

Cobs are good they have a higher over all par rating for less power
cobs are just like double end HID bulbs......a slight better step to the original tech ....enough to offer a reason to think about changing over in what market u are invested in ( it lowers the overall cost while improving product once the price on the market stabilizes from the original introduction of the tech)

 

[ttystikk]

how is over simplified

knowing the lens angle effects the foot print of the LED is more important then knowing a Cob has a high par rating then most of the old diode

if someone gets a 500 watt cob or led and they think it is going to do a 4x4 area but it only covers a 3x3 ........it is due to the lens getting a 60 instead of 120.....so all those plants in the 1x1 are getting crap even with reflection off the tent walls the power is nothing but fluffy bud only good for hash/bho/canna butter

Cobs are good they have a higher over all par rating for less power
cobs are just like double end HID bulbs......a slight better step to the original tech ....enough to offer a reason to think about changing over in what market u are invested in ( it lowers the overall cost while improving product once the price on the market stabilizes from the original introduction of the tech)

I'm in this to build the next tech, not to refine the current generation.

My interest is specifically disruptive.