Starting seeds in coco?

Grass finger

New Member
I will soon be doing my first coco grow using canna proffesional plus coco and advanced nutrients ph perfect sensi grow and bloom my question is when giving the plants plain water does it need ph'ing ? Apparently with these nutes you don't need to ph but what about if I give them
Just plain water ?
 

lawlrus

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It took me a couple tries but once I got the technique down, I won't ever go back to anything else for seed starting. The pH of the water really isn't important at this stage (in my experience), and the idea that you should never let coco dry out is also something you want to ignore until they are established with a solid root system...the cycle of wet to dry to wet again encourages the root growth. I have never had a seed that did not show a tail within a day or two of soaking that was not viable with this seed starting method. The only seeds I have ever seen not pop with this are the ones that probably weren't viable to begin with, but your mileage may vary. Here's the technique I use:

-Soak 24-48 hours (not necessary, but speeds the process along a bit) until you have a 1/4"-1/2" tail

-Tap water, 1/3 strength coco nutes (in my case 5ml each Canna A and Canna B). In my case, tap water and using the coco-specific line of nutrients from Canna at or below the recommended 15ml/gal dilution has always produced excellent results across the ideal range of pH for coco, from the mid to high 5's to the low 6's. YMMV depending on the mineral content of your tapwater, but I do know that Canna and probably other coco nutes as well call for tapwater specifically over R/O.

-For containers, you can go with seedling trays or small plug-sized cups to start out with if you really want, but I recommend you just cut to the chase and start them in the initial container (for me, this would be a 4" pot until the first transplant)

-What you want to do is run enough of the nutrient/water solution through the coco to get a considerable amount of runoff, maybe up to 100-200% runoff, and then squeeze it until it is about as dry as you can get it by hand. Couple different ways to do this: for smaller amounts of coco, an old pillow case works wonderfully as a "strainer" and then you can squeeze it to get the water out. If you're planting a ton, or transplanting into larger pots (this works brilliantly for that as well, same exact process) and need to do a bigger batch at once, go spend $5-8 at your local Wally World for either a very fine mesh or cloth laundry bag and use it the same way as the pillow case. Either way, you want the coco to be just moist enough to feel it, but not so wet that it leaves water on your fingers.

-Plant as per usual, keep the humidity at a nice comfortable level for seedlings/vegging plants/humans (50-70% is fine), and don't even worry about humidity domes or anything as they aren't necessary.
-If all went well, you will see seeds breaking surface within 24-36 hours, maybe 2 days at most.

That's it. I don't mean to oversell it here, but this technique has saved me so much heartburn and so many hundreds of dollars in seeds since I learned it that I can't help it.

One caveat here -- I have not tried this without nutrients, as the conventional wisdom of coco is that you never water without feeding at the same time, but I suspect that you can get by just fine with regular non-phed tap water until the cotyledon starts to yellow. If transplanting, I would probably guess that you want to at least do the 1/3 strength nutes as described above. When in doubt, less is more, so feeding on the lighter side is usually a good bet regardless of what stage you're at with coco.
 

Resinhound

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Dont ever water coco with plain water,use a quarter dose,ph'd to 5.7-6.0.For seedlings get a 16oz plaatic cup and cut the bottom out.Bury that in the coco to the rim and fill with a good seed starter(ff light warrior works good)plant seed in that and keep moist with plain water until first true leaves grow then you can start feeding...lightly.Leave cup until harvest.Good luck.
 
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lawlrus

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Dont ever water coco with plain water,use a quarter dose,ph'd to 5.7-6.0
As I mentioned, that is conventional wisdom, but what about for a seedling that doesn't require an outside nutrient source yet? It is also conventional coco wisdom not to ever let it dry out, but if you do that with a seedling it will either damp off or never break surface to begin with, so it's obviously not 100% black or white. I might need to try a few with plain water just to see for myself.
 

Grass finger

New Member
I have grown in soil for the last 2 years but switching to coco now I usually germinate my seeds in wet paper towels until they show a decent sized root then make a small hole in the soil and water it through then put the seed in and cover it up lightly. That method has always worked 100% for me never had a seed fail I was just wondering for when I pre soak the coco before I pop the seed in does that water need to be ph'ed as the nutes I am going to be using don't need to be ph'ed. thanks
 

outlier

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What's the ph of your water? Are you using tap/ro water or something else?

Coco is a beast. But she can give it to you up the clacker faster than you can say "oh shit" if you don't treat her right. For that reason alone I will always give her exactly what she wants, and exactly how she wants it. Still trying to figure out exactly what she wants though :bigjoint:

Lots of good info on coco here: http://www.canna-uk.com/grow_info
 

Grass finger

New Member
Tap water and I haven't bought a ph metre didn't
Think I would need one as the nutes il
Be using have the ph perfect technology in them
It makes nutes available at a wider ph range
 

outlier

Well-Known Member
I would be weary watering with anything over 7 as it may disturb the ph buffer in the coco. Grab a cheap liquid ph test kit so you can test your water. Those cheap yellow ph pens on ebay work well if you look after them.
 

Grass finger

New Member
When I got my first ever clone it came
In rock wool and I used to give it just straight water from the tap no nutes and never had any probs with that so maybe the ph of the water from
The tap is ok?
 
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