Hey Liberals? Guns work!!

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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
guns kill more people than cars do, so think about the implications of that one, klanman.
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nope, 75% of the gun stats are SUICIDES, and in those cases, people killed themselves. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

You can't blame the gun for a suicide any more than you can blame the spoon for making Jessica so fat.

Traffic Accidents kill 32000 people a year. http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/state-by-state-overview
gun accidents kill less than 300 people each year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Accidental_gun_injuries

Refuting your arguments is really easy, Andrew. Such a Loser with a itsy bitsy tiny penis not only cannot find any evidence that will verify any of his claims, he can't even begin to argue it without resorting to false claims and even more bullshit.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Reality Check....

Life is not safe. One day you will die either by accident or illness. This has proven to be the case tested billions of time!!!

The government cannot make life safe for you even if you give up all of your liberties.

Why are we not discussing the problems with the marriage visa program that let Mrs. terrorist into the country in the first place? The federal government could not protect the employees in California. The local police force could not protect the employees in the California massacre. The government failed 100% here yet it is the same government suggesting a reduction in personal freedoms would fix something that is categorically false on it's face.

The sad thing is that some people believe it and champion it.
 
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NoDrama

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Freedom isn't free.

Anyone advocating that we restrict firearms ought to be in support of making people wear muzzles so that they cannot ever yell "fire" in a packed theater should they ever decide to go. Damn the right to speech, Muzzles for everyone!!
It will be a nice quiet world after they shut everyone up. Those rights are not absolute nor immune from restriction!!
After that we can surgically remove fingers so people cannot type out "Fire" in a newspaper and get folks riled up!!!

This is the bastardized logic used by the nanny staters.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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NoDrama said:
Anything that is battery operated will fail eventually. Of course failure only happens when you go to use the battery powered device.
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The tech is good. It has manual backup and can still be opened quickly.

Our whole life revolves around electronics. I'm pretty confident in it.

I bow out now. No sense in arguing about it.

I know I'm safe and my gear works.
Edit: I know I'm prepared to be safe but shit happens.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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whitebb2727 said:
The tech is good. It has manual backup and can still be opened quickly.

Our whole life revolves around electronics. I'm pretty confident in it.

I bow out now. No sense in arguing about it.

I know I'm safe and my gear works.
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Nobody is telling you that you cant use the safety devices that you are comfortable with. What people are asking is that they are not forced to use similar devices and/or be limited in the types of defense they can use.

As pointed out, about 100 people die in car accidents for every accidental death due to a gun. I find that level of risk acceptable for the balancing freedom of self protection.
 
pnwmystery

pnwmystery

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NLXSK1 said:
Nobody is telling you that you cant use the safety devices that you are comfortable with. What people are asking is that they are not forced to use similar devices and/or be limited in the types of defense they can use.

As pointed out, about 100 people die in car accidents for every accidental death due to a gun. I find that level of risk acceptable for the balancing freedom of self protection.
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Motor vehicle traffic deaths
  • Number of deaths: 33,804
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7
All firearm deaths
  • Number of deaths: 33,636
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
 
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red w. blue

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whitebb2727 said:
I'm neither right or left. You are in fact hard left. We are fifth in the world for mass shootings per capita and even lower in per capita homicide.

You cherry pick stats. That is shady.

You are ignorant when it comes to guns. It OK. I'm not calling you stupid.

The truth is that pistols are a bigger problem. Most criminals prefer something they can conceal.

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See. Ignorant about guns. They are in fact the same guns. The grips. Ohhhh. Soooo scary.
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Ruger has some good stuff, the first pistol that I found to be accurate was a mark 1 bull barrel. The 10-22 is a fun gun and can be made accurate. The LCR, LCP and LC9s are fine for use with a CCL. while I have a mini 14 I like my ARs better.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
nope, 75% of the gun stats are SUICIDES, and in those cases, people killed themselves. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

You can't blame the gun for a suicide any more than you can blame the spoon for making Jessica so fat.

Traffic Accidents kill 32000 people a year. http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/state-by-state-overview
gun accidents kill less than 300 people each year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Accidental_gun_injuries

Refuting your arguments is really easy, Andrew. Such a Loser with a itsy bitsy tiny penis not only cannot find any evidence that will verify any of his claims, he can't even begin to argue it without resorting to false claims and even more bullshit.
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sorry, white supremacist. guns kill more people than cars now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/17/guns-are-now-killing-as-many-people-as-cars-in-the-u-s/
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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red w. blue said:
Ruger has some good stuff, the first pistol that I found to be accurate was a mark 1 bull barrel. The 10-22 is a fun gun and can be made accurate. The LCR, LCP and LC9s are fine for use with a CCL. while I have a mini 14 I like my ARs better.
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who would have guessed that a racist coward is desperately clinging to guns?

it comes as a complete surprise to me.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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NoDrama said:
Statistically you make yourself and others less safe when you drive your car.

You can get a Driver license in less than 30 minutes even when you aren't a legal adult.

I never see anyone claiming that the car is what is causing all the highway deaths. 32,000+ people died in 2014 because of those damn cars.

If we got rid of all the cars we could save so many people!!!

How many cars are used to commit suicide?
Is it 75% of the statistic?
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Cars are an example of healthy risk taking. The risk is low and the benefit is high.

Guns mostly harm the owner and those closest to them. People are safer when their guns are locked away. When guns are carried or kept in unsafe storage, people take a very small additional risk for practically zero benefit. Its unhealthy risk taking.

You are safer if you don't own a gun.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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doublejj said:
Family argument, 4 dead.....http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Suspect-in-custody-after-shooting-death-of-man-in-6731345.php
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Countries argue, countless dead,.....Lockheed AC-130...........

If background checks scare some off, it`s worth doing.

The problem I have with they way Obama wants it, and lots of others is the fees and taxes. I don`t see how democrats can attach a price on each and every thing they do. The Gov. should offer these background checks free of charges, fees and taxes, otherwise it`s one more Government money grab to divi up on.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Fogdog said:
Cars are an example of healthy risk taking. The risk is low and the benefit is high.

Guns mostly harm the owner and those closest to them. People are safer when their guns are locked away. When guns are carried or kept in unsafe storage, people take a very small additional risk for practically zero benefit. Its unhealthy risk taking.

You are safer if you don't own a gun.
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The guns "harming the owner" line again...

I've never had a gun decide to shoot me, what gives?

You mean if people have a gun they're more likely to commit suicide with a gun?

Because its quicker and (in theory) less painful?

Groundbreaking hypothesis, I don't know why noone else thought of it.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
citation needed.

try to make it better than your racial segregation stuff too.
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I don't favor government forcing people to segregate or forcing people to integrate. In both cases government used threats of the use of guns though didn't they?


Luke 6:42
How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.



Note - I am a Pastafarian, but thought the quote was apropos given your question to me.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Harrekin said:
The guns "harming the owner" line again...

I've never had a gun decide to shoot me, what gives?

You mean if people have a gun they're more likely to commit suicide with a gun?

Because its quicker and (in theory) less painful?

Groundbreaking hypothesis, I don't know why noone else thought of it.
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Yes, but too many times the shoot the whole family first...
 
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