Anybody tried alternative lighting schedule?

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Connoisseurus Rex

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420monster said:
Not all bag seed hermie that's a myth a little tlc and you can end up with some frosty mids

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It's possible but unless they show desirable genetics, they are just guinea pigs for all intensive purposes. I rarely flower the bag seed past the 3 week mark. Then I don't have to worry if they do hermie. I don't want that shitty pollen in my tent lol.
 
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420monster

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Connoisseurus Rex said:
It's possible but unless they show desirable genetics, they are just guinea pigs for all intensive purposes. I rarely flower the bag seed past the 3 week mark. Then I don't have to worry if they do hermie. I don't want that shitty pollen in my tent lol.
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Haha fair anuff if that's the case lab rat it up

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Mowgli Ma-Fên

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Connoisseurus Rex said:
I'm talking like 6 on 2 off 3 times in a 24 hr period during veg. Anybody ever tried shorter alternating periods of light/dark?

I know I'll catch some shit about it and that's ok. I was just wondering if anyone has ever tried it. If not, I think I'll give it a shot on some of my clones just for shits and giggles.

Thanks in advance.
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i know a garden where they used this cycle on auto plants(critical 2.0 auto)worked out fine
 
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Connoisseurus Rex

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Mowgli Ma-Fên said:
where the articles at?
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Don't remember the links. I bought the book. Much better read. A lot more in depth.

It's a little outdated compared to more modern science, however, his breakthroughs never really shot off on large scale and I don't know why.

He has quite a few studies I've never heard about until the book. Things that contradict modern practices. Very interesting.
 
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yeah i see, looked it up real quick^^ looks good.but can't imagine theres much stuff in it that PLANT PHYSIOLIGY by Taiz and Zeiger is missin.
 
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Connoisseurus Rex

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Mowgli Ma-Fên said:
"Expensive"- yeah u right got my edition for 20 bucks,didnt see its so F-in expensive in the states^^
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Cheapest I found was the 5th edition for $96 used.

Found some excerpts though. Looks interesting. I'm a huge evolution fan (Charles Darwin genre), and the book seems to have the same appeal in their advances.

I may break down and buy it eventually. Right now, I have to drop some dough in some other areas.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Connoisseurus Rex said:
I'm talking like 6 on 2 off 3 times in a 24 hr period during veg. Anybody ever tried shorter alternating periods of light/dark?

I know I'll catch some shit about it and that's ok. I was just wondering if anyone has ever tried it. If not, I think I'll give it a shot on some of my clones just for shits and giggles.

Thanks in advance.
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Connoisseurus Rex said:
Just to see the difference in root and foliage growth. Roots are said to grow more during night, though I can't say that's my experience, so I just wanted to see if short spurts of darkness would stimulate root growth more or less and how it would effect foliage growth as well.

I'm thinking it could possibly create a more structured plant, though I could definitely be wrong. It's just a thought I had and couldn't find any info. Curiosity is all.
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The answer covers both of these thoughts.
Your going to run into all sorts of problems simply due to the fact that Cannabis takes about 2 hrs to actually get to a "night" mode after exposure to certain Light nm (nanometer) bands.....The 730nm band of deep reds initiates this transition period. During that time the plant is not really growing or doing it's night time changing of cellular peptides back to the daytime cell structure. It's simply changing from one state to another.

This day to night thing can be speed up by exposing your plants to this 730nm band of light by special LEDs that are stupidly expensive.....I've tried it. It ain't worth it as far as returns vs investment.....

I could go on with all sorts of science involved as to this plant change and why it does it.....But what you need to know is that shortened lights out time of the type you suggest will simply weaken the plant.

There are also a cpl of us here that did the reduced lights on time in flower. Down too that 6 on thing. You will reduce yields by about 28 - 30% and this is a firm number you WILL loose! When you drop below 9-10 on your yield begins to suffer....

I run cuttings at 24
seedlings at 20 and as soon as they are out of solo's 18/6.

I bloom at 11/13 - 12/12 causes too much instability in my book ie herming.

Play if you like but now you know and wasting time and effort is dumb if know the answer.
 
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Connoisseurus Rex

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Dr. Who said:
The answer covers both of these thoughts.
Your going to run into all sorts of problems simply due to the fact that Cannabis takes about 2 hrs to actually get to a "night" mode after exposure to certain Light nm (nanometer) bands.....The 730nm band of deep reds initiates this transition period. During that time the plant is not really growing or doing it's night time changing of cellular peptides back to the daytime cell structure. It's simply changing from one state to another.

This day to night thing can be speed up by exposing your plants to this 730nm band of light by special LEDs that are stupidly expensive.....I've tried it. It ain't worth it as far as returns vs investment.....

I could go on with all sorts of science involved as to this plant change and why it does it.....But what you need to know is that shortened lights out time of the type you suggest will simply weaken the plant.

There are also a cpl of us here that did the reduced lights on time in flower. Down too that 6 on thing. You will reduce yields by about 28 - 30% and this is a firm number you WILL loose! When you drop below 9-10 on your yield begins to suffer....

I run cuttings at 24
seedlings at 20 and as soon as they are out of solo's 18/6.

I bloom at 11/13 - 12/12 causes too much instability in my book ie herming.

Play if you like but now you know and wasting time and effort is dumb if know the answer.
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Julien Tournois would strongly disagree with you.

I'm only running the 6/2 for veg anyhow. I run a different schedule for flower.

So far, they look as nice as any 3 day old seedling I've seen lol.

Thank you for the input though. It's just bag seed, so if it doesn't work... No harm, no foul.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Connoisseurus Rex said:
Julien Tournois would strongly disagree with you.

I'm only running the 6/2 for veg anyhow. I run a different schedule for flower.

So far, they look as nice as any 3 day old seedling I've seen lol.

Thank you for the input though. It's just bag seed, so if it doesn't work... No harm, no foul.
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I'm not married to the idea that indoor operations should mirror outdoor conditions. I have no idea where such investigations will lead, to me the important thing is that people ARE investigating.
 
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Connoisseurus Rex

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ttystikk said:
I'm not married to the idea that indoor operations should mirror outdoor conditions. I have no idea where such investigations will lead, to me the important thing is that people ARE investigating.
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Agreed. As long as the plant gets its essentials, the rest falls on techniques and experimentation of the grower. Who would have thought artificial lighting or DWC/aero would have been acceptable for growing indoors 100 years ago?

It's our duty as growers to provide the best we can for our plants so they can provide the best for us... Even if it means a few failed experiments to get there.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Connoisseurus Rex said:
Agreed. As long as the plant gets its essentials, the rest falls on techniques and experimentation of the grower. Who would have thought artificial lighting or DWC/aero would have been acceptable for growing indoors 100 years ago?

It's our duty as growers to provide the best we can for our plants so they can provide the best for us... Even if it means a few failed experiments to get there.
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Failed excitements or not, the critical component is to continue to iterate. Find what works and build on it.
 
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