Outdoor vs greenhouse

[559tc_caliGrower]

Well this year I'm doing my first winter greenhouse and I have been noticing that the flower looks much cleaner and a lighter green then my usual outdoor grows..now I am thinking of leaving the greenhouse until outdoor season and try growing my outdoor in a greenhouse do you guys think the yield will be the same or does greenhouse not yield as much??my plants are in smart pots and when I grow outdoor I just use my backyard native soil..but I was thinking of putting the plants in the floor but still in the GH any suggestions??

 

[bogistJoe sr]

The crew in Belgium that gave us their greenhouse story of 29 fresian dew; grew theirs in 100 cu.ft./ half clay &half supersoil. Started June 1&harvested MidOct avg. 2000grams each, smallest 750gr. & biggest ones had 3000 gr. dry bud. So I would bet an even longer season sativa (dominant)with 50-100 gals supersoil, smart-pots,air stones, CO2 gens, etc. & I really can't imagine Mother Outdoors besting that. Plus if able to get plants started 2wks into 12/12, like indoors, then finished in GH, I bet 2-3 harvests is feasible

 

[Bugeye]

It's all trade offs. You typically lose some light intensity with a greenhouse but gain on protection from hail and other extreme weather. Just depends on where you live.

 

[mr420nice]

I have done both ways many times. Started as a gorilla grower almost 40 yrs ago. My greenhouses have much better quality and less problems. Higher chance of powdery mildew and mold if not covered. Rain is very low PH and makes good environment for powdery mildew. No rain just controlled watering from my well water. I can give a fine mist spray to my plants every day with my high PH well water. Bugs don't get bad if they r hit with cold water every day, PM can't get bad on high PH surface, can cool down plants when too hot with fine mist without worrying about over watering, controlled waterings without overwatering when too much rain, etc.... Much better quality meds from indoors and a green house is indoors, with the sun instead of artificial light. Happy growing.

 

[bogistJoe sr]

Good points Mr420. Here in MI, where a registered caregiver grows 12 for each of 5 patients, plus 12 for myself. I'm planning to build a grain dryer-like round greenhouse, about 40ft tall X 20ft diameter. Covered with greenhouse plastic, it'll satisfy our"covered on all sides" requirements, plus it's rural setting in my semi wooded lot helps the stealth. A 12-18" diam PVC sewer pipe with 72 holes set vertically in the center of my round GH ensures a 50 ft tall 72 plant mega cannabush that'd have a water lift pump for watering.
. I could do DWC or bubbleponics, since there'd be 72 separate medium chambers. But the daily maintenance needed makes me believe a super soil will produce the easiest and best bud. Plus watering with straight water, allowing nutrients come only from Super soil, with air stones to each plant, makes this a good blueprint for 30-100 lbs at harvest in under 400 sq ft. Plus supplemental lighting on the sides during the early and late part of daylight hrs keeps shade from trees hurting me too much, hopefully. Plus with so few cubic feet, CO2 enrichment would really help & not break my budget.

 

[Bugeye]

Good points Mr420. Here in MI, where a registered caregiver grows 12 for each of 5 patients, plus 12 for myself. I'm planning to build a grain dryer-like round greenhouse, about 40ft tall X 20ft diameter. Covered with greenhouse plastic, it'll satisfy our"covered on all sides" requirements, plus it's rural setting in my semi wooded lot helps the stealth. A 12-18" diam PVC sewer pipe with 72 holes set vertically in the center of my round GH ensures a 50 ft tall 72 plant mega cannabush that'd have a water lift pump for watering.
. I could do DWC or bubbleponics, since there'd be 72 separate medium chambers. But the daily maintenance needed makes me believe a super soil will produce the easiest and best bud. Plus watering with straight water, allowing nutrients come only from Super soil, with air stones to each plant, makes this a good blueprint for 30-100 lbs at harvest in under 400 sq ft. Plus supplemental lighting on the sides during the early and late part of daylight hrs keeps shade from trees hurting me too much, hopefully. Plus with so few cubic feet, CO2 enrichment would really help & not break my budget.

I can think of much easier setups than this vertical monster you describe. Sounds pretty unmanageable to me.

 

[bogistJoe sr]

Yeah the most intimidating part is getting to the top half from 15' and up. But being an exterior trim carpenter and therefore comfortable on ladders, I'd build into the interior sides, maybe 3 or 4. But yeah that's truly a reason to have super soil too, to minimize maintenance and hopefully all but eliminate trips to the top 20'

 

[doublejj]

Yeah the most intimidating part is getting to the top half from 15' and up. But being an exterior trim carpenter and therefore comfortable on ladders, I'd build into the interior sides, maybe 3 or 4. But yeah that's truly a reason to have super soil too, to minimize maintenance and hopefully all but eliminate trips to the top 20'

Sounds like more trouble than it's worth. Why so tall?...

 

[bogistJoe sr]

Why so tall? The bestest reasons are
1. In the middle of your 1/4 ac in thick woods or next to barn, a mere 20 foot circular bldg, in a 45'x 65' clear-cut in thick woods, u can grow, stealthily, 72 plants that rap around and up.
2. U can completely control every grow-medium method when stacked in a huge PVC pipe. Every 8" tall a 4" hole allows u 2 catch the divider&glued, add your supersoil, perlite&h2o polymers, DWC, aquaponics, whatever. Insert seedling or clone thru hole that you've gifted it with your magical medium, allowing them to stretch 10' out all directions so a 20' diameter 1"PVC pipe, wood, steel, vertically ground to roof. If 40 degrees apart there's 9uprights. That'd have ladders (framing support) that your limber 100-150 lb friend plays monkey inside this 50' tall round greenhouse. Stealth 72 different strains, together in 16k cubic ft, as a state legal caregiver for 5patients plus myself, quite possibly the most lenient and least bureaucratically combobulated state to grow in, MI. Dangling 8' T12's, cfl's, hps for first and last 3hrs everyday since SUN isn't overhead & its in thick shady hardwoods.
3. Rinse and repeat 4 times per yr. Since nearly all strains/hybrids of, can be finished within 70 days X 4 = 280 days growing. U can even get long flowering sativa's started2-3wks, then transplant here.lol.
why so tall? why not? If I can legally grow inside a 60' tall greenhouse I can give each plant more like 10 gallons ea of medium

 

[doublejj]

please post pics.....good luck

 

[mr420nice]

Joe sr., sounds like you r over thinking it. I could b wrong and your idea might b awesome. I have my best and biggest plants when keeping it simple. Easy access to all parts of each plant is a must in order to properly work the plants. Also, in order to become a big plant you need much more than 10 gal of grow medium. "THE BIGGER THE HOLE, THE BIGGER THE PLANT". I was doing 72 plants when Mi. first became legal. Now I do 12 plants in my 24' x 64' greenhouse and yield much more bud and better quality bud. Each plant is in a 200 gal smart pot, in a 10' x 10' section of the greenhouse. Averaging over 5 lbs per plant. Have played around with outdoor hydro but keeping water temps cool enough became a big problem. I do grow hydroponically indoor but my homemade organic soil mix works best for my greenhouse grow. When growing such big plants, they need a lot of room around each plant or they will not get enough air. Even my indoor grow yields better with less plants. When I had 18 plants in the flowering room I was averaging 2 oz a plant or 36 oz. Now I do 8 plants in my flower room and get about 5 or 6 oz per plant or 40 to 48 oz. Where in Mi. r u? I am located in-between Lansing n Jackson. If u r ever in the area, u can stop by. I let any patient come to my grow. Not worried about security issues since I have 5 pit bulls, 24 security cameras, 12 motion censers, 10 vibration censers, and always someone home.

 

[thegreensurfer]

It sounds like you're going for a vertical strawberry tower? It might be a challenge to manage the growth, the plants will want to grow right up against your central pipe so you would have to pull all growth away as it grows, seems inconvenient with such height.
If I understand it correctly you would fill the vertical pipe with soil? It seems the plants towards the bottom will be receiving a lot of salinity from all the above runoff.
An 18" x 50' pipe= 660 gal volume. Considering this 33:1 height to diameter ratio.....That's a lot of soil weight(7,000lb) to be in a vertical position of that height, with that diameter. It'll need to be adequately anchored to be safe.
I forsee logistic issues and structural concerns....
If you go forward with the idea please document it and share....